CSR comments...

[jmh]

Poor Snooky Pooky.

Here, have a twinkie, snapperhead.

CSR is clearly above any other native plugin, simple as that. I know, hard to swallow that something expensive is good, that is after all, like unnatural and impossible.

[Meffy]

Let's see: Pat Metheny's opinion (after trying the product) versus Snooky's opinion (after never trying the product)... which has credibility? Whom to believe? Darn, this is a toughie.

[living sounds]

Don't feed the troll, ignore it.

[Sascha Franck]

Hrmpf... shall I really try the demo?
I'm just in the same boat as diverdee - I promised myself to not get another dongle-protected product. I'm going more and more mobile, so the last thing I need is carrying dongles around with me.

But then, so far the AAReverb is doing a great job anyways, so I probably shouldn't bother.
If I only wouldn't feel that tempted. A reverb with approval of the resident audiophile fins - must be quite something!

[diverdee]

Oooh Sascha's feeling the gentle probing fingers of temptation caressing him

I can resist everything except temptation

[Meffy]

I gave up on the anti-dongle thing a while back. I think that they're going to get commoner for a few years, then gradually die out the way old-school parallel port dongles did in the late 1990s.

I don't like dongles, but I don't think "fighting the power" is going to have any effect, any more than my refusing to buy gasoline at Exxon stations since the Exxon Valdez oil spill has driven them to forsake petro-exploitation and change into an ecologically aware flower farming cooperative.

So far, the few dongled programs I have strike me as being of exceptionally high quality. So I bite the bullet and plug the key into a free USB port. But not entirely without protest.

[LiteOn]

Hi Sascha,

But then, so far the AAReverb is doing a great job anyways, so I probably shouldn't bother.
If I only wouldn't feel that tempted. A reverb with approval of the resident audiophile fins - must be quite something!

I have the AAR - and I have the CSR now. The CSR has that sound I was ever dreaming of (theat trancey plate stuff - shurely different from your needs..). As far as I got it, it is the L-Sound. I once owned the LXP-1/15, but never the pcm9* guys. However, I always had an idea of what they might sound like. The CSR is it for me,the plate just sounds great - yo! For me, both verbs are complementing each other perfectly. Depending on the needs, sometimes the CSR is too thick, and this is where I use the AAR. But the CSR is not just a one-trick pony. I took some - unfinished - tracks and replaced the Princeton Room (group buy) with the CSR, it works great. But the biggest surprise is how easy the CSR it to the CPU - it's stunning. So if you already have a synchrosoft dongle, try it!


cheers,
LiteOn

[Sascha Franck]

So if you already have a synchrosoft dongle, try it!

Yeah, I have one. And updating to the latest LCC version just f**ked up my SX 2 authorisation. The installer said I should keep possible license holding keys connected during install - which is what I did.
After the first reboot even my SX 3 license was gone - fortunately it's back up now, for whatever reasons, but the SX 2 authorisation seems to be killed entirely.

Seriously, f**k dongles!
Give me a reasonable C/R protection (NI style) any day.

If I can't get my SX 2 license back, I'm gonna get my lawyer active. Those c**ts at Steinberg and Syncrosoft simply deserve it.
And no, I won't try to find friendlier words for them - because that's what they clearly *don't* deserve.

[diverdee]

& people wonder why I & others want nothing to do with dongles
No matter how many people tell me 'oh... it works fine on my system, never had a problem'.
No thanks (as long as it can be avoided).

[Meffy]

Sascha, Squids mentioned running into a problem similar to this with regards to AT2 and Cubase. IIRC it was something easily fixed. I hate to suggest contacting Steinberg's support people, but that sounds like the best bet... unless Syncrosoft has a support contact.

[Sascha Franck]

Sascha, Squids mentioned running into a problem similar to this with regards to AT2 and Cubase. IIRC it was something easily fixed. I hate to suggest contacting Steinberg's support people, but that sounds like the best bet... unless Syncrosoft has a support contact.

Might be all fine, Meffy - but I shouldn't run into any such problems in the first place at all. And it's not as if I'd be the only one.

You just don't experience such things with serial numbers. And personally, I never experienced them with C/R either (apart from one occasion when NIs server went down).
A copy protection scheme wiping out any licenses is just the most horrible thing ever.

I will of course contact Steinbergs support, but I don't think they'll answer. They usually don't because they're c**ts. Sorry, but I lack of any better words.
They might even tell me to purchase SX 2 again. Which is what they're doing in case you're losing the dongle. Asking the full price that is! Greedy c**ts, there's not much else you could say about it!

But then, as this has got nothing to do with CSR, I better shut up and won't get the demo either because that might be f**king up my dongle even more.

[Meffy]

Might be all fine, Meffy - but I shouldn't run into any such problems in the first place at all.

We're in complete agreement.

I will of course contact Steinbergs support, but I don't think they'll answer.

:-( See reply above.

It's completely unacceptable for a software license of ANY kind to self-destruct. I don't think it's permanent in this case, but even so it's an obnoxious imposition on the buyer.

[hardwired]

So if you already have a synchrosoft dongle, try it!

Yeah, I have one. And updating to the latest LCC version just f**ked up my SX 2 authorisation. The installer said I should keep possible license holding keys connected during install - which is what I did.
After the first reboot even my SX 3 license was gone - fortunately it's back up now, for whatever reasons, but the SX 2 authorisation seems to be killed entirely.

Seriously, f**k dongles!
Give me a reasonable C/R protection (NI style) any day.

If I can't get my SX 2 license back, I'm gonna get my lawyer active. Those c**ts at Steinberg and Syncrosoft simply deserve it.
And no, I won't try to find friendlier words for them - because that's what they clearly *don't* deserve.

I am very happy to have read this. I was actually going to try demo'ing this on my Korg dongle (which I assume should work) but after I read what you wrote Sascha, I will pass.

It might well be the best reverb in the world but I have worked long and hard to get my music machine (and even my beater test machine) in a good state.

I will not mess up my machines for any demo. I recall shit like this also happened previously with Philharmonik but I had assumed that this was fixed.

[LiteOn]

Hi Sascha,

I will of course contact Steinbergs support, but I don't think they'll answer. They usually don't because they're c**ts. Sorry, but I lack of any better words.
They might even tell me to purchase SX 2 again. Which is what they're doing in case you're losing the dongle. Asking the full price that is! Greedy c**ts, there's not much else you could say about it!

what a crap to hear from you! I had a transient problem when I moved the SX3 license over onto the CSR dongle which fortunately could be sorted by resuming the transfer process. I hope all can be sorted to your satisfaction (apart from the spoiled weekend).
Please, can you keep us updated on that issue? I always wanted to know how Steinberg is dealing with something like that.


Good luck!

LiteOn

[kritikon]

Ah...I didn't realise it's on a dongle. First off, Kingston's comments (and one or two others) tempted me to try the demo - I almost always am disappointed by native reverbs, but some posters' opinions I respect and will take heed of.

Then I hear it's on a dongle...boo! No deal.

Then I hear it's on a Syncrosoft dongle...that's OK then - I've been a long-standing Cubase user and never had a problem with their dongle. So I can demo the reverb again.

Then Sascha (who tends to talk quite alot of crap about Cubase) came up with his problem with SX2 authorisation. Now...he may have no taste, but I know he at least knows how to install s/w (even if it's usually the wrong ones ). More pause for thought. Sounds like he's not the only one to come up with an SX2 problem with the CSR authorisation. And I am on SX2 as my main host. If SX2 goes poof, so does my whole DAW.

So...anyone else had these issues, or could it just be Ssascha's particular setup (I suspect it's Logic that's f**ked it up somewhere...don't know how, but it must be, as it's such a piece of crap ). But seriously - I can't afford for my main host to go kaput because of some nasty little demo. I seriously do want to find a useable native reverb, but not if SX is the price of it.
And if (as mentioned) it's fixable...what exactly are the steps needed to fix it. I need to know I can fix it before I let anything that dangerous near my host.

This could be dongles ruining more sales . I'd be the first in line for a decent native reverb - the price doesn't even bother me. I'm going to buy a UAD card solely for the EMT plate FFS. I'd be a good customer. I suppose I could buy a separate dongle for the reverb, but - no way. Out of sheer dogged principle, I"M NOT BUYING A FUCKIN DONGLE JUST FOR A DEMO. GOT THAT? I won't use Pace and ILoks, but I'm OK with Syncrosoft. No issue. I'd use it, and buy it. But if you're going to use what I consider the only safe dongle out there yet, at least gaurantee to me that it isn't going to f**k up my whole DAW? Be serious. Korg don't have any of this shite with their Syncrosoft authorisation. It can be done right - it cannot be Steinberg's responsibility. They aren't my favourite company, but their authorisation works well. Korg (completely independently) get their authorisation to work too - without interfering with Steinberg ones. It has to be something either Syncrosoft or CSR (or more likely - both together) need to sort out.


It ain't getting near my DAW at the moment.


So...anyone else having these problems - if so, what are the exact details please, and how (if at all) did you overcome it?