Chords in a key for beginners
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JumpingJackFlash JumpingJackFlash https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=44005
- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
I agree with Sascha here, and yes, I too am 'guilty' of the too-much-too-soon crime.
I think the problem is that all of us have different ways of doing things, different ways of explaining things, and different ways of teaching things. Also, we all come from different backgrounds which includes different styles of music. - The trouble is, when one of us approaches something that is different to how someone else would approach that thing, the other person usually replies saying so, and citing the differences. - This then leads to the first person coming back and clarifying his point, at which point another person might chip in with their own interpretation, and this opens up a whole discussion on the various approached to the original problem.
It's basically a case of "too many cooks" I think. - None of us are wrong (generally), but we all naturally think our approach is best and other approaches are not as good. - The newbie gets confused by these conflicting approaches.
Maybe it's best if the newbie only concentrates on the first few answers to his question (or one answer from each person involved), without reading the extra pages of discussion and arguments. ?
I think the problem is that all of us have different ways of doing things, different ways of explaining things, and different ways of teaching things. Also, we all come from different backgrounds which includes different styles of music. - The trouble is, when one of us approaches something that is different to how someone else would approach that thing, the other person usually replies saying so, and citing the differences. - This then leads to the first person coming back and clarifying his point, at which point another person might chip in with their own interpretation, and this opens up a whole discussion on the various approached to the original problem.
It's basically a case of "too many cooks" I think. - None of us are wrong (generally), but we all naturally think our approach is best and other approaches are not as good. - The newbie gets confused by these conflicting approaches.
Maybe it's best if the newbie only concentrates on the first few answers to his question (or one answer from each person involved), without reading the extra pages of discussion and arguments. ?
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- KVRAF
- 13442 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
That'd be a really bad idea in case the first answer is the worst.JumpingJackFlash wrote:I
Maybe it's best if the newbie only concentrates on the first few answers to his question (or one answer from each person involved), without reading the extra pages of discussion and arguments. ?
I think we should just show some manners and try to sort of co-operate. And - because that won't exactly be possible very often - don't jump in- and onto each others statements too quickly.
After all, the secrets of theory don't have to be learned (or teached) in one day. Not even in one week, one month or one year.
I guess a bit of patience would do us all good. And respect, of course.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 1891 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Columbus,Ohio
I got all the time in the world too.
I understand though, this is a subject where people are taught different forms of the same thing, and it causes confusion that needs much clarification before we can hope to clarify or build on the original concept. I admit that I know enough to SORT OF stick with you guys, but sometimes I get lost in things like all the different roman numerals, because i'm not totally familiar with them all yet. Sometimes I see IIb or ii or stuck like that (don't take my examples literally), and while some of them I understand, some throw me off. I've learned something these past few days that might be obvious to the rest of the world, and my downfall is that from day one I have been teaching myself, and I adapted to the keyboard by see the white and black keys, and trying to form some logic out of them. My logic was incorrect though, because harmony, it seems, is so much more than I thought it was. Which is wonderful because now the way I'm starting to see it, the pieces are falling into place.
I used to think like, well, I play these complex parts! Surely theory is too cold and clinical to explain this "living, breathing" part for the keys I've written. Turns out theory can tell me exactly what I'm doing, and why it sounds good. Then it lets me build on that by showing me different options in which I can alter the piece to make it sound more logical/pleasing to the ear.
I'm blabbering on, but anyways.
I understand though, this is a subject where people are taught different forms of the same thing, and it causes confusion that needs much clarification before we can hope to clarify or build on the original concept. I admit that I know enough to SORT OF stick with you guys, but sometimes I get lost in things like all the different roman numerals, because i'm not totally familiar with them all yet. Sometimes I see IIb or ii or stuck like that (don't take my examples literally), and while some of them I understand, some throw me off. I've learned something these past few days that might be obvious to the rest of the world, and my downfall is that from day one I have been teaching myself, and I adapted to the keyboard by see the white and black keys, and trying to form some logic out of them. My logic was incorrect though, because harmony, it seems, is so much more than I thought it was. Which is wonderful because now the way I'm starting to see it, the pieces are falling into place.
I used to think like, well, I play these complex parts! Surely theory is too cold and clinical to explain this "living, breathing" part for the keys I've written. Turns out theory can tell me exactly what I'm doing, and why it sounds good. Then it lets me build on that by showing me different options in which I can alter the piece to make it sound more logical/pleasing to the ear.
I'm blabbering on, but anyways.
"You are going to let the fear of poverty govern your life and your reward will be that you will eat, but you will not live."
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 2 Aug, 2005
Hello folks...
Thanks to all for the info. Surely, some stuff here was way beyond my comprehension for the last few days. I downloaded a crash course and finally got a picture of what some of the more advanced topics here mean. But surely enough, it's been great help!
Thanks guys! You're the best!
Mike
Thanks to all for the info. Surely, some stuff here was way beyond my comprehension for the last few days. I downloaded a crash course and finally got a picture of what some of the more advanced topics here mean. But surely enough, it's been great help!
Thanks guys! You're the best!
Mike
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- KVRAF
- 1891 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Columbus,Ohio
I don't think this is the thread that a particular PDF was brought up in, and in case it wasn't...
http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
You've really gotta read this, I keep reading it over and over. It's really helpful.
:::Edited for grammar
http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
You've really gotta read this, I keep reading it over and over. It's really helpful.
:::Edited for grammar
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"You are going to let the fear of poverty govern your life and your reward will be that you will eat, but you will not live."
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electrik noize electrik noize https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=64575
- KVRist
- 66 posts since 9 Apr, 2005
Wow thanks for the link.No name wrote:I don't this is the thread that a particular PDF was brought up in, and in case it wasn't...
http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
You've really gotta to read this, I keep reading it over and over. It's really helpful.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
Not only is it a fantastic piece of work, the author's a KVRSoul. His nick's k-bird.electrik noize wrote:Wow thanks for the link.No name wrote:I don't this is the thread that a particular PDF was brought up in, and in case it wasn't...
http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
You've really gotta to read this, I keep reading it over and over. It's really helpful.
Now with improved MIDI jitter!
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- KVRAF
- 1891 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Columbus,Ohio
Hm, didn't know that! Well, in case he is around then i'd like to say thank you for this guide, it has proven to be a great help in understanding music theory.nuffink wrote:Not only is it a fantastic piece of work, the author's a KVRSoul. His nick's k-bird.electrik noize wrote:Wow thanks for the link.No name wrote:I don't this is the thread that a particular PDF was brought up in, and in case it wasn't...
http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
You've really gotta to read this, I keep reading it over and over. It's really helpful.
"You are going to let the fear of poverty govern your life and your reward will be that you will eat, but you will not live."
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- KVRAF
- 4196 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Forget that particular minor scale (you know, that "G#" problem) - that one's for classical music. Instead, your minor scale is "la ti do re mi fa so", at least for now. Do to this scale what was written at the beginning of this thread, and Bob's your uncle.
Edit: I've just seen that this topic is 7 pages long - so it's highly likely that someone already mentioned natural minor... duh!
Edit: I've just seen that this topic is 7 pages long - so it's highly likely that someone already mentioned natural minor... duh!
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 29 posts since 20 Jul, 2006 from Melbourne, Australia
Guys,
You're doin' my head in with your complexity.
The answer to the question of what notes to play over a given chord is DURATION. Notes that last a longish time say, more than a couple of beats, are generally better as chord notes (nice and strong sounding, less clash) and CONNECTING/PASSING notes of short duration can be sourced from the notes in the key as your melodic vibe sees fit.
Thats it.
You're doin' my head in with your complexity.
The answer to the question of what notes to play over a given chord is DURATION. Notes that last a longish time say, more than a couple of beats, are generally better as chord notes (nice and strong sounding, less clash) and CONNECTING/PASSING notes of short duration can be sourced from the notes in the key as your melodic vibe sees fit.
Thats it.
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