Van Gelis Sound.

[sdv]

Well... is it about the notes? Or is it about the spaces in between the notes? I always rather thought it was about the spaces in between the notes, as well as the harmonics.

But that's just me.

As for reading music. Maybe he does read music and it's all part of some evil master plan - as you suggest.

Or maybe he really doesn't read music. AFAIK neither does Yanni, Hans Zimmer, and any number of well known musicians. There are people one can hire to take care of things like that - if you need to have it written for an orchestra, etc.

No "master paln" about it... it's just that he's pretending to be cosmic and mystical when in fact his music comes from the hard work of alot of people and not just chanelling the heavens as purports in that article.

He also states in the article that he has no musical training, can't read or write music... basically has no musicall ability... he gets everything he needs by being 'open to the universe'. That's a crock... a person has to know some music to compose music... you just can't create chords, harmonies and melodies out of thin air.
It's not the point of "reading" music (although that explains why Yanni sucks it so hard) it's his statement of having no musical knowledge whatsoever that is just confounding bullcrap.

[omissis]

Vangelis? Better as a musician rather than a phylosopher, but I like his approach to composition and I try to do the same even if I get completely different results!

[dusted william]

heh, correct ... the cs80v doesn't sound like the real deal at all imo ...
however, i had to do an orchestral vangelis like song ... it never got finished ... all vst, no hardware ...
have a listen:

draft.mp3 128kb

that is insanely impressive. You have more talent in your pinky than I have in my whole body.

dw

[Sam@Megablastic]

I found that article about Vangelis in Ode magazine. It's a great read.
http://www.odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=3862

I thought everything he said was pretty spot on.

[pysj]

I found that article about Vangelis in Ode magazine. It's a great read.
http://www.odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=3862

I thought everything he said was pretty spot on.

Ditto.

And I consider myself a very much rational and analytic person.
Of course he wraps his word in a 'mystical' and grand sphere (just like his music btw ). But come on. Use some imagination. What so damn wrong about his points in that article?

I don't get the impression that he is mocking anyone really.

[Boulotaur2024]

He also states in the article that he has no musical training, can't read or write music... basically has no musicall ability... he gets everything he needs by being 'open to the universe'. That's a crock... a person has to know some music to compose music... you just can't create chords, harmonies and melodies out of thin air.
It's not the point of "reading" music (although that explains why Yanni sucks it so hard) it's his statement of having no musical knowledge whatsoever that is just confounding bullcrap.

Well he means no "music theory knowledge" I guess. I don't get what's your problem with what he states in the article.

And just look at him creating music in the 1992 french documentary Musiques au coeur (should be available on p2p), I think you'll get the point when he says he doesn't have to _read_ music to be inspired and coordinate a full virtual orchestra "in realtime".

I'd go as far as to say that it's a must-see for any musician.

[Tronam]

Vangelis is clearly an extremely well trained musician. Whether or not that comes from "formal" training or not is irrelevant. You can easily tell that he has a good ear and is a craftsman who takes his music very seriously. That along with a good imagination is all you need really. Like any form of training or college program, they only help open the door, but everyone has to forge their own path eventually. He just opened that door himself, much like a lot of us I'd imagine who grew up without traditional training but persevered anyways.

[ChipCurtis]

Maybe because he couldn't read music (as he claims), that was the reason why he didn't get the gig for Yes that went to Patrick Moraz instead.

[himalaya]

Well... is it about the notes? Or is it about the spaces in between the notes? I always rather thought it was about the spaces in between the notes, as well as the harmonics.

But that's just me.

As for reading music. Maybe he does read music and it's all part of some evil master plan - as you suggest.

Or maybe he really doesn't read music. AFAIK neither does Yanni, Hans Zimmer, and any number of well known musicians. There are people one can hire to take care of things like that - if you need to have it written for an orchestra, etc.

No "master paln" about it... it's just that he's pretending to be cosmic and mystical when in fact his music comes from the hard work of alot of people and not just chanelling the heavens as purports in that article.

He also states in the article that he has no musical training, can't read or write music... basically has no musicall ability... he gets everything he needs by being 'open to the universe'. That's a crock... a person has to know some music to compose music... you just can't create chords, harmonies and melodies out of thin air.
It's not the point of "reading" music (although that explains why Yanni sucks it so hard) it's his statement of having no musical knowledge whatsoever that is just confounding bullcrap.

His music IS NOT a product of a lot of people. The overall sound , yes, maybe, as it may be mixed buy others. So, the mix yes, but not the music itself!

I think most composers/musicians/bedroom producers are cosmic and mystical if only given the chance ! His launguage reveals a certain holistic outlook, that may point to the belief that 'All is One', (whatever it may mean). If 'We can be One' while listening to Faithless, why not Vangelis while sitting in a dark studio tinkling the ivories ?

And obviously he is not sitting there, in his studio, waiting for some heavenly angel to descend with harmonies from the seventh heaven, C'mon ! He's simply describing a process of improvistation as partinent to him! So obviously he has music knowledge, and he doesn't say that he isn't skilled musically, only that he didn't have the type of formal music training that most people have.


Did Jimi Hendrix read or write music ? NO. Was he able to play ? Yes.
There are some very talented people in this world that somehow, have this talent, and we can't do anything about it but wonder, rather then ridicule...

And another thing... who is Vangelis to be the arbiter of who and who should not be producing music. That's a narcisistic viewpoint that only one who can "channel the heavens" should compose music... F**k that attitude (unless we're talking about Kid Rock, man does he suck donkey balls)!!

He says nothing of the sort ! Where is it written ? He's describing his experience only !

[brok landers]

Brok Landers, i bow my head. This is really good.

thank you! always nice to hear that, keeps me going ...

[brok landers]

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draft.mp3 128kb

Damn that is sweet!! You captured alot of the sounds and nuances... well done!!

well, i'm quite a fanboy of vangelis, and if you analyze him and his work, you stumble on how he does think when he composes music ...
i over the years couldn't resist to try and learn this ... it's just a too great style he invented to let it die ...

[brok landers]

Only thing I don't like is the the violin sound at 0:04 sec. which sound a bit plastic and lifeless (maybe not enough reverb ?) to me. Maybe you should try with real "nowadays standard" orchestra samples. Same thing for the snare, too 909-ish (once again IMO) and not enough 'space' to it.

but you realized the name of the mp3, don't you ...
it's very rough, i wanted to finish it with some real strings recorded after the deal was made, same with the snare ... this was just a demo draft for the company, to show them roughly in what direction it's gonna be ... sadly they went bankrupt ...
i mean, i could just finish it with better strings and snares, even vst-wise (along with some other stuff i'd like to edit/enhance the arrangement with), i just don't have the time ...

But the guitar/key sound which drives the melody is definitely incredibly on-spot, I love it, this honestly gives me shivers. And yea, as sdv said, you perfectly captured the nuances of his playing. Pizzicato are very very nice, contrary to the other violin attack sound. Of course the Cs-80-like brass lead is perfect but everyone already knows about your programmaing skills.

now _you_ make me shiver ...

Btw brok, there was this AAR vs. CSR thread (great one btw I'm sure we'd learn a lot by doing more of those 'sound creation thread') where you posted one of your track. I can't seem to find it again and I'd love to listen to it again. Do you still have it somewhere ?

yeah, i posted this because the reverb is just artsacoustic reverb ... here you go:
drowning images.mp3 128kbs

[brok landers]

Well... is it about the notes? Or is it about the spaces in between the notes? I always rather thought it was about the spaces in between the notes

well, play 2 wrong notes and see for yourself ...
it's the space between the notes that actually is changing the impression in the most minimum way ...

[SARcazm]

[quote="brok landers]
yeah, i posted this because the reverb is just artsacoustic reverb ... here you go:
drowning images.mp3 128kbs[/quote]

Now that is outstanding You using soft or hard synths for that track?

[tylenol]

yeah, i posted this because the reverb is just artsacoustic reverb ... here you go:
drowning images.mp3 128kbs

Now that is outstanding You using soft or hard synths for that track?

Yeah, that is pretty nice -- makes me glad I read this thread to the end.