KVR Audio

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:13 pm

By the way, I agree that it generally sounds "richer" than a TG-77, but I think the TG-77 is great for extreme and complex sounds. Also, DX/TX7 don't sound the same when pushed to the limits (but also sound great), and I think the filter can be really useful too

, so I couldn't replace my TG-77. I bet I can find a very cheap TX-7, would be good to have one.

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:28 pm

I bought a TG-77 in 2000, sold it a few years later because I had convinced myself the FM7 would replace it, then 1-2 years later I bought another one because I recognized my error.
But I somehow never found sounds that integrated well in a mix or that I liked to play AND could place into a song. The TG-77 has the best DX Rhodes ever (Belltine I think the patch is called), but that's not a patch I could (or would) use due to the huge cheese factor.
Now I've got a policy to sell gear I don't actually use, so the TG-77 had to go.

Shy wrote:By the way, I agree that it generally sounds "richer" than a TG-77, but I think the TG-77 is great for extreme and complex sounds. Also, DX/TX7 don't sound the same when pushed to the limits (but also sound great), and I think the filter can be really useful too , so I couldn't replace my TG-77. I bet I can find a very cheap TX-7, would be good to have one.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:36 pm

It's one of the 3 or so patches I like

. It's really a terrible idea to buy it unless you want to spend a long, hard time editing sounds. The factory presets are pretty much useless. It's ridiculously, insanely hard to edit sounds using the (big, ugly) synth's interface. It's hard even with software editors, but doable. In short, not a synth for non masochists.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:06 pm

fm (in particulat the yamaha sy series) was the first thing i thought because of 2 reasons:

1. the sound, even the pad, we're very concrete and clear in the mid range, typical for fm ...
2. you said we should base our guess on the fact that the examples are rather unusual for that kind of synth ...

but i wasn't mentioning it, as i thought the question was which "vsti" it is, or did i just assume that?
anyway, there is something about this "concreteness" of fm synths i always loved, and (exept for the beloved loftsoft fm heaven) i miss that from all other fm vsti's ...

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:07 pm

Kriminal wrote:who cares,

i do.

Kriminal wrote:its not an amazing sound is it?

it is. next.

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:11 pm

Hm, I've tried FM Heaven as well. It's got more clarity than the FM7, there's no problem with mud. But it cannot do the 'beef' and 'warmth' in the low end, the fast attacks and this unagressive high end sheen the DX7 does so well. I wonder why Yamaha doesn't release a plugin. Maybe even they cannot pull it off. I remember I used their XG plugin once, and it sucked badly against a CBX-K1 XG (small, cheap keyboard) and a VL70m. It should really be possible to simply put the algorithms from those boxes into software form, but somehow it isn't happening.

Listen to this, it's the same patch and the same midi file played through the TX7, the FMHeaven and the FM7:

www.scherer.de/Download/3-FM.mp3

Import obviously doesn't work properly, but besides that the general sonic characteristic is quite different. No FX this time.

brok landers wrote: anyway, there is something about this "concreteness" of fm synths i always loved, and (exept for the beloved loftsoft fm heaven) i miss that from all other fm vsti's ...

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:43 pm

Shy wrote:....In short, not a synth for non masochists.

I am one of the masochists:

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/yamaha_sy77.html

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:12 pm

brok landers wrote:
Kriminal wrote:its not an amazing sound is it?
it is. next.

its not, not in the least.

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:17 pm

dx7? dx21? tx81z? tx7? dx9? I KNOW it's FM(1st geuss after the 1st sample only the modulator comes like 1 too high and it aliases a bit at one point) then the hard roads came in, pretty clear to me

edit: should have read the thread first as it's een answered

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:32 pm

What do you think about the differences between original and emulation?

Muzik 4 Machines wrote:dx7? dx21? tx81z? tx7? dx9? I KNOW it's FM(1st geuss after the 1st sample only the modulator comes like 1 too high and it aliases a bit at one point) then the hard roads came in, pretty clear to me

edit: should have read the thread first as it's een answered

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:39 pm

i prefer the original one, brighter, more life to it, some noisees and distortions that even FM7/8 can't do well (when the modulator with lots of feedback just overshoots a bit and aliases the output, happens a lot with enveloppes in a real dxfm synth, happens less in the virtual world IMOHO

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:01 pm

Kriminal wrote:
brok landers wrote:
Kriminal wrote:its not an amazing sound is it?
it is. next.
its not, not in the least.

come on krim, you know as good as i do that he posted the last one for
comparsion of the direct, dry sound ... testing purposes only. so it wans'nt
meant to impress, but to _only_ show the differences in raw sound ...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:02 pm

brok landers wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
brok landers wrote:
Kriminal wrote:its not an amazing sound is it?
it is. next.
its not, not in the least.
come on krim, you know as good as i do that he posted the last one for
comparsion of the direct, dry sound ... testing purposes only. so it wans'nt
meant to impress, but to _only_ show the differences in raw sound ...

yes, but the samples he has put up couldve been anything, he made it out to be a big surprise...guess the synth...when most ppl agareed it was indistinct....

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:18 pm

Kriminal wrote:yes, but the samples he has put up couldve been anything, he made it out to be a big surprise...guess the synth...when most ppl agareed it was indistinct....

i was thinking the same way, and i stated this ... at first ...
however, he mentioned then that the thing is not only the sound itself, but what it is made with, and that the synth is rather unusual for such sounds ...
that was his point ...
and for most users these patches we're indeed unusual and surprising for an old, pure fm hardware synth ... that's what he was all about ... when you think of good, lush pad sounds, in hardware you don't think of an old fm synth at first choice ...

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:52 pm

himalaya wrote:
Shy wrote:....In short, not a synth for non masochists.
I am one of the masochists:

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/yamaha_sy77.html

/me is another victim : TG-77, Tx 802, Dx7 IID

Guess which synth this is (audio included)!