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echomusic wrote:There is no E# B# except when explained in theory. It's a rift between following the rule of there being no E# or B# and using theory to apply it to performing.
There's no "rift" at all. Just as musicians learn that an F# and a G♭ are played the same way (on a discreet instrument), so too do they learn that E# and F are played the same way. It's no more confusing than any other enharmonic spelling. An E# in the key of C# isn't confusing — it's the major third. What would be confusing is seeing an F♮, which doesn't belong in the key of C# at all.
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echomusic wrote:There is no E# B# except when explained in theory. It's a rift between following the rule of there being no E# or B# and using theory to apply it to performing.
Be interesting to quote that one at Ross Duffin (author of "How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony"; http://music.case.edu/duffin/) to see how far the veins on his neck stand out afterwards.
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bernhardtjeff wrote: 1) Why do discussions about music theory online often turn into emotional, combative riots?
Ha, I've come to a similar conclusion. It's especially ironic that this happens in discussions of harmony, of all things...

IMO W.A Mathieu is an example of someone who truly embodies an awareness of harmony from macro (cosmic/universal) to micro (music theory), and shares it in his writing.

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Winstontaneous wrote: IMO W.A Mathieu is an example of someone who truly embodies an awareness of harmony ...
Loved him in The Odd Couple.

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Is that guy still here? I had one question...

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What's the difference between a Key and a Scale?
Why does Randy Jackson from American Idol think everyone is 'pitchy dawg'?

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Is it cool to use Just Intonation in tarnce?

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echomusic wrote: The melodic changes from a Major to minor are whole steps. 5 up for the second octave, 2 down for the same octave.
I don't even remotely understand that sentence. What "up" and what "down"?
My point was that it's a horrible change to drop in progression changes as a solo when everyone else is staying in key. Have you heard a C Major with those progressions on top at the same time? I say it again... Yikes.
Well, that's called "outside" playing and it seems to be working quite well for some people. Basically, what you do is to "superimpose" a progression over, say, a modal vamp.
Tritone related scales work quite well, too. For instance, it might be a nice idea to play Eb minor over an Amin chord. Obviously, at one point in time, you better resolve to the original key.

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Ogg Vorbis wrote: What would the notes be for the dominant chord in C#m?
G#-B#-D#-F#
And yes, you DEFENITELY use B#, even on sheets. It's absolutely important to keep the third enharmonically and (probably even more important) visually correct. Using a C would be plain wrong on many accounts.
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echomusic wrote: Like I said it isn't the theory that we're in disagreement over, but me saying that you should see it in sheet music, which I still stand by as a rule of thumb.
It's not a rule of thumb by any means. The rule of thumb, if at all, would be to write things enharmonically correct. Ogg Vorbis' example of a dominant chord in C# minor was just about perfect. A G#(7) chord simply features a B#, not a C. And, while you keep saying one usually shouldn't see this on a sheet, you are eternally incorrect about it.
Tell me whatever you want, but this looks like a fine major triad:
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This however doesn't:
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- Sascha
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Those who can do maths and those who can't.

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Ogg Vorbis wrote:

You don't arbitrarily respell things in music any more than a professional writer arbitrarily substitutes "they're, their and there" because they are the "same word."
Superb comparison you've got, er, there.

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EkleipSiS wrote:Hmm am i the only who have seen Dexter's site?
link plz... wait nvm found it. Dexter have you got any music of yours on the web? Interested to hear this self proclaimed master muso.

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Hi there Dexter. I have a quick question. When I wish to make a key change, say from a major to a relative minor, do I need to use a pivot chord to make the change, or can I just swith staight into the new key? Also, when changing keys around the circle of fifths, is there some kind of formula to know which pivot chord to use when changing keys? Thanks very much for your help.
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