The future with iPad - really worth a look

[dan_s]

I agree.
&
I like your signature.

[The Chase]

Wow big surprise, anti-Apple-everything on KVR...Zzzzzzzzzz

The real fun will be watching so many people made fools of again because they think they understand markets better than Apple.

Back to tinkering with your towers and cards people.

No, marketing is really the only thing we won't dispute apple on.

it's their age-old business model of recycling cut-down versions of old things repackaged in shiny cases that we dispute is so amazing, and we'll agree with you 100% that their marketing of it is brilliant.

lol - the real thing is cheaper :

Now this is really the kind of dingbat, braindead comment KVR is infamous for.

Ok so now you have your 'cheaper electribe', you will be also able to browse the web, read mail and books, control your DAW etc etc etc

you = catastrophic brain failure.

Try finishing a thought before opening your yap...life will work out much better.

Or you can pay that price for a PC tablet with not an electribe but instead all the DAW's, all the VST's, all the audio editors, et cetera, that are available. And flash. And USB. And a couple times the CPU, memory and storage. And a tactile keyboard. And skype so you can make calls on it. And all the PC games ever released.

All for the price of being half an inch thicker, maybe a pound heavier.

[kbaccki]

This just in: www.cnn.com is iCrazy for the iPad a full iDay prior to it's iRelease. I'm not making this up... the topics (as in all of the topics) listed in their "Tech" section as of 2:48AM EDT:

* 12 things to know about the iPad
* Apple unveils apps for iPad
* The iPad reviews are in
* Will the 'iCade' become real?
* Which iPad apps are getting buzz?
* What Verizon iPhone users can expect
* A Guide to buying the right iPad

Not to mention a few of the same links appearing prominently in other parts of the very same page... talk about iHype! Even the iPhone is getting some love in the frothy frenzy of funtabulation directed in Apple's general direction. I think this will be the best iThing yet!

[tomg]

The iPhone/iPad has every bit as much right to claim the OS X moniker as the Mac does. It's the same sauce. Aside from the user interface, the file system, and some hardware-specific bits, they're running the same code that the Macs are.

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code. OSX runs on Intel processors, PhoneOS runs on ARM processors. Because the Apple A4 processor is a SOC (System on a chip) and at it's core is a ARM processor the iPad has a lot more in common with my Palm than my Tablet PC.

As for your five-year-old PDA, could you use it as a multi-touch virtual mixing board, a remote control for your plugins, a virtual Real Book, a drum machine, an effects processor, a sequencer, a virtual piano, or a DJ mixer?

You can't do much of that on a iPad yet either and might not. There may be neat things to run on it but I suspect that because there are no ports to speak of it's going to be a mostly closed system.

I have a sequencer (sampler/effects/drum machine), book reader, master remote (IR), movie player, wifi, external IR keyboard,... ect all on my palm. The Palm also has a built in camera for pics and movies, a voice recorder and handwriting to text conversion. It can be charged from any USB port and they are $50-70 used on eBay.

[brambos]

The iPhone/iPad has every bit as much right to claim the OS X moniker as the Mac does. It's the same sauce. Aside from the user interface, the file system, and some hardware-specific bits, they're running the same code that the Macs are.

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code.

Depends on how you look at 'code'?

If I write software for OSX, I use the same tools (XCode, Objective-C and UIBuilder) as for iPhone OS. I make calls to the same APIs and system libraries and I can recompile the code for either platform, hardly without making modifications. Hell, iPhoneOS even interfaces with Audio Units the same way as OSX!

It's just that when I hit 'Build', that the compiler generates either ARM or Intel machinecode.

That makes it pretty much OSX in my books as a developer.

Or.. to put it another way... by your definition Linux for anything other than Intel processors is not Linux, because the processor that runs it is not an Intel and teh code is different.

See what I did there?

[Maadfoo]

I know OSX won't run on the iPad. It's not a computer.

The iPad is a computer, and it does run OS X. It doesn't run Mac OS X, but the iPhone/iPad OS is a custom version of OS X Leopard, recompiled for ARM processors. All of the Core technologies from the Mac are present: Core MIDI, Core Audio, Core Video, Core Image, etc.

YOu probably need the core-stuff for sounds, graphics and videos but I think you cannot compare the iPad OS to OSX. Can you run any Software (Logic, Final Cut etc) you run under OSX? Probably not. You can only run these Apps so the iPad is rather a kind of a big iphone than a computer. OK, meanwhile all Cellphones are little computers of course. But a real HP workstation is rather a computer than the iPad.
Nevertheless I like the way the iPad goes...but I hate all you apple lovers. You really got issues. Trust me.

[tomg]

The iPhone/iPad has every bit as much right to claim the OS X moniker as the Mac does. It's the same sauce. Aside from the user interface, the file system, and some hardware-specific bits, they're running the same code that the Macs are.

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code.

Depends on how you look at 'code'?

If I write software for OSX, I use the same tools (XCode, Objective-C and UIBuilder) as for iPhone OS. I make calls to the same APIs and system libraries and I can recompile the code for either platform, hardly without making modifications. Hell, iPhoneOS even interfaces with Audio Units the same way as OSX!

It's just that when I hit 'Build', that the compiler generates either ARM or Intel machinecode.

That makes it pretty much OSX in my books as a developer.

Or.. to put it another way... by your definition Linux for anything other than Intel processors is not Linux, because the processor that runs it is not an Intel and teh code is different.

See what I did there?

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

[brambos]

Or you can pay that price for a PC tablet with not an electribe but instead all the DAW's, all the VST's, all the audio editors, et cetera, that are available. And flash. And USB. And a couple times the CPU, memory and storage. And a tactile keyboard. And skype so you can make calls on it. And all the PC games ever released.

Why would I? I already have a desktop and a laptop. The iPad is a new category, with *new* applications and new ways of doing things. So try and think outside the box; conventions are bound to be broken when new categories are introduced.

I would have expected the creative/musical community to realize the potential of this new paradigm earlier than the rest of the world, to be honest.

[brambos]

The iPhone/iPad has every bit as much right to claim the OS X moniker as the Mac does. It's the same sauce. Aside from the user interface, the file system, and some hardware-specific bits, they're running the same code that the Macs are.

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code.

Depends on how you look at 'code'?

If I write software for OSX, I use the same tools (XCode, Objective-C and UIBuilder) as for iPhone OS. I make calls to the same APIs and system libraries and I can recompile the code for either platform, hardly without making modifications. Hell, iPhoneOS even interfaces with Audio Units the same way as OSX!

It's just that when I hit 'Build', that the compiler generates either ARM or Intel machinecode.

That makes it pretty much OSX in my books as a developer.

Or.. to put it another way... by your definition Linux for anything other than Intel processors is not Linux, because the processor that runs it is not an Intel and teh code is different.

See what I did there?

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

You're now grasping at semantic straws and you know it...

[tomg]

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

You're now grasping at semantic straws and you know it...

Are you kidding me? It's not OSX just because you can recompile an OSX program to to run on the iPad. Good grief man! It's not the same processor. It's the iPhone OS. That's like saying OSX is really Windows because you can recompile Office to run on OSX. And they even use the same processors these days.

[brambos]

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

You're now grasping at semantic straws and you know it...

Are you kidding me? It's not OSX just because you can recompile an OSX program to to run on the iPad.

It is if it uses - like I said - the same calls to system libraries and APIs. Those are called abstraction layers and those are what DEFINE an operating system.

[tenshin111]

I already have a desktop and a laptop. The iPad is a new category, with *new* applications and new ways of doing things. So try and think outside the box; conventions are bound to be broken when new categories are introduced.

I would have expected the creative/musical community to realize the potential of this new paradigm earlier than the rest of the world, to be honest.

What is this 'new' category that iPad falls into? I'm really curious.

[tomg]

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

You're now grasping at semantic straws and you know it...

Are you kidding me? It's not OSX just because you can recompile an OSX program to to run on the iPad.

It is if it uses - like I said - the same calls to system libraries and APIs. Those are called abstraction layers and those are what DEFINE an operating system.

If you want to call it OSX go ahead but if it really is OSX where's the multitasking? Based on does not mean same as.

[brambos]

I am aware that compilers do magic but it's not the same processor and simply can't be the same code or you'd only have to generate one build for both systems.

You're now grasping at semantic straws and you know it...

Are you kidding me? It's not OSX just because you can recompile an OSX program to to run on the iPad.

It is if it uses - like I said - the same calls to system libraries and APIs. Those are called abstraction layers and those are what DEFINE an operating system.

If you want to call it OSX go ahead but if it really is OSX where's the multitasking? Based on does not mean same as.

iPhoneOS is fully multitasking. Hence Apple's ipod music app runs nicely while browsing with safari. They just disabled it for third party apps. Not an OS limitation.

Something tells me you have never used an iphone/ipod touch nor programmed for one.

[brambos]

I already have a desktop and a laptop. The iPad is a new category, with *new* applications and new ways of doing things. So try and think outside the box; conventions are bound to be broken when new categories are introduced.

I would have expected the creative/musical community to realize the potential of this new paradigm earlier than the rest of the world, to be honest.

What is this 'new' category that iPad falls into? I'm really curious.

Something between smartphone and laptop. It's where Netbooks are now used, but rather inappropriately/awkwardly because of their formfactor and cramped keyboards and miniature touchpads. E.g. on the couch, in bed, in the park, on the train, etc.

People accusing it of being a huge iPod Touch are right. It has all the things that made the iPod touch great, but with a 10" touch screen added to it for truly physical/handson interaction. That's a pretty new category.