Gforce synths - 64bit - when?

[Echoes in the Attic]

bla bla bla.

That's the most sensible thing you've said. Claiming that they made V2 to force you into paying for a 64bit upgrade or whatever nonsense you're saying is completely unreasonable. They did the update before considering 64bit at all. Imp2 completely replaces V1. The 64bit update is free for the current version. This is how every single soft synth has done it. Every one. The current version gets the technology update. Your expectation is as ridiculous as expecting Absynth 2 to become 64bit.

Aside from that silliness, I'm thrilled to see imp2 released as 64bit!

[Dewdman42]

why did they not consider 64bit at all? The 64bit issue has been around more than 5 years.

[Dewdman42]

bla bla bla.

Aside from that silliness, I'm thrilled to see imp2 released as 64bit!

And yes, I should hope bloody so

[whyterabbyt]

why did they not consider 64bit at all? The 64bit issue has been around more than 5 years.

bla bla bla.

[Dewdman42]

+1 hehehe now we're getting somewhere.

[Echoes in the Attic]

why did they not consider 64bit at all? The 64bit issue has been around more than 5 years.

But even if they had released it as 64bit when it first came out, V2 would still have been a paid upgrade. So it would have been no different coming from V1. Many plug-ins jumped to 64bit only with a paid upgrade to the newest major version.

[Dewdman42]

some did, many did not. Its up to the consumers to decide if the upgrade is worth the price. I do not think $75 is worth it for 64bit. That's all I am trying to say. I'm entitled to my opinion and how to spend my own money. They gave me no alternative but either have their product become unusable, or be forced to pay for new features I don't want or need or value in any way at $75 for me. I'm glad some of you find $75 value there and that is good for GeForce, but for me its not. so the product I bought basically is crippleware now.

There is really no need to make a big fight out of this is there?

I ask again, what will happen to Minimonsta and Oddity? Are they to be abandoned as 32bit ancient-ware, or will users be cornered into some kind of super mini monsta upgrade that adds a few features for $75 more that finally will be 64bit? Same for Oddity. Sorry, you haven't convinced of anything other than GeForce koolaid drinking...

Thankfully I can run DP in 32bit mode and for live gigging I will run 32bit host too. Fine. I will use my crippleware until its finally crippled for good then I'll buy a different product that I perceive will not pull this.

bla bla bla, round and round we go.

[JonHodgson]

why did they not consider 64bit at all? The 64bit issue has been around more than 5 years.

When I started work on imp 2, 64 bit was not an issue.

If you want a 64 bit imp 1, I'm open to negotiation, of course I need to make a living, so I'm afraid I'll have to charge you for my time. To be fair we'll use an hourly rate that is the average of the last three jobs I got an hourly rate for, and you're welcome to find other imp1 users to share the cost with.

Or you could save yourself a bundle of cash and just pay $75 and get a whole load of extra features and ongoing support thrown in for free.

Or, if you judge that my time isn't worth your money, then you can spend your money on something else, I won't begrudge any other developer recompense for his hard work.

[rob_lee]

Hi Jon

Didn't know you were the developer of these great synths. Can you tell me if Minimonsta is also x64 AU?

Many thanks

Rob

[topaz]

The choice is of course very simple.

Switch to 64bit and pay for the 64bit versions.

Stay with 32 bit and just use memory servers.

I have dabbled with live x 9 64bit but am actually looking forward to using Live 9 32bit with PT10 32bit. (Soon as it arrives)

[Dewdman42]

Hi Jon, This is not directed at you or your excellent efforts at creating very fine software!

But please keep in mind, you are not my employee and I am not obligated to pay your salary or keep bread on your table. I am only obligated to pay money for product that I consider to be of value to me for the price being asked. Nothing more. Its up to software makers to operate their businesses in such as way as to create that value and seperate me from the cash in my wallet. hehe. Unfortunately, this time you failed to do that.

Impress me, fix Minimonsta and Oddity perhaps and maybe I'll upgrade IMP2 as a show of good will. Right now I just hear you asking for money to keep your products out of crippleware status.

Hell I might have eventually upgraded to IMP2, but frankly $75 is a lot...it really doesn't have that much new value to me. IMP1 is fine. So that's a hard one. Much rather buy a totally new synth from you that probably would rock the free world. But the fact that you haven't kept IMP1, MiniMOnsta and Oddity up with the times weighs heavily on my mind about where to spend my money.

[JonHodgson]

Hi Jon

Didn't know you were the developer of these great synths. Can you tell me if Minimonsta is also x64 AU?

Many thanks

Rob

I'm only responsible for the imps.

All I know about Minimonsta is that 64 bit development is ongoing, the problem with software development is that it's impossible to predict how long debugging will take.

[rob_lee]

Hi Jon

Didn't know you were the developer of these great synths. Can you tell me if Minimonsta is also x64 AU?

Many thanks

Rob

I'm only responsible for the imps.

All I know about Minimonsta is that 64 bit development is ongoing, the problem with software development is that it's impossible to predict how long debugging will take.

Yeah thanks Jon i was just told that via PM from someone. Anyways great work on the imps i will download the demo.

Rob

[topaz]

You keep calling 32bit plugins crippleware, there's your issue right there.

They still work fine, they are not in any way crippled.

Hi Jon, This is not directed at you or your excellent efforts at creating very fine software!

But please keep in mind, you are not my employee and I am not obligated to pay your salary or keep bread on your table. I am only obligated to pay money for product that I consider to be of value to me for the price being asked. Nothing more. Its up to software makers to operate their businesses in such as way as to create that value and seperate me from the cash in my wallet. hehe. Unfortunately, this time you failed to do that.

Impress me, fix Minimonsta and Oddity perhaps and maybe I'll upgrade IMP2 as a show of good will. Right now I just hear you asking for money to keep your products out of crippleware status.

Hell I might have eventually upgraded to IMP2, but frankly $75 is a lot...it really doesn't have that much new value to me. IMP1 is fine. So that's a hard one. Much rather buy a totally new synth from you that probably would rock the free world. But the fact that you haven't kept IMP1, MiniMOnsta and Oddity up with the times weighs heavily on my mind about where to spend my money.

[JonHodgson]

Hi Jon, This is not directed at you or your excellent efforts at creating very fine software!

But please keep in mind, you are not my employee and I am not obligated to pay your salary or keep bread on your table. I am only obligated to pay money for product that I consider to be of value to me for the price being asked. Nothing more. Its up to software makers to operate their businesses in such as way as to create that value and seperate me from the cash in my wallet. hehe. Unfortunately, this time you failed to do that.

That is your choice, you don't owe me your money, I don't owe you my time. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who purchased imp 1 has had the opportunity to get more than the purchase price's worth of pleasure (and/or profit if they've used it professionally) by now, so although I would like to be able to keep them updated, I feel no moral obligation to, and I'm afraid I can't afford to do it just to be nice.

Impress me, fix Minimonsta and Oddity perhaps and maybe I'll upgrade IMP2 as a show of good will. Right now I just hear you asking for money to keep your products out of crippleware status.

I'm not involved with Minimonsta or Oddity.
From my point of view, all I hear is you moaning that I won't give you my time and skills for free in order to update a product that you chose to make obsolete by changing your system. Were your 64 bit computer, OS and host free?

Hell I might have eventually upgraded to IMP2, but frankly $75 is a lot...it really doesn't have that much new value to me. IMP1 is fine. So that's a hard one. Much rather buy a totally new synth from you that probably would rock the free world. But the fact that you haven't kept IMP1, MiniMOnsta and Oddity up with the times weighs heavily on my mind about where to spend my money.

I'd really love to supply you with a totally new synth that will rock the world... which is something I can't do if I'm caught up doing endless updates for plugins that haven't made me a penny in two years because new versions have replaced them.