Does anyone NOT like Diva?

[pdxindy]

Let's consider a vintage Minimoog. Not only do you have only 1 instance, you have only 1 voice! That is terrible performance compared to any softsynth... Yet people pay thousands of dollars for them.

Kind of a poor example really :/
With a hardware synth and of course an audio interface, you can record the synth part and MIDI at the same time. if you ever need to correct the played part, correct the MIDI, let the synth be controlled by the MIDI and record the output audio. Then you can have as many recorded instances of the Moog as you possibly want. Actually, probably the most (CPU) efficient way of using instruments...maybe not the most convenient though.

It is an excellent example...

The Mini has no midi and so you cannot record your playing except as audio so no correcting. The Minimoog is only monophonic so you have to record multiple passes to get a polyphonic pad. And of course it does not save presets so you have to dial in your sounds each time.

It is not at all efficient or convenient... yet people still buy them and that is my point.

And it is easy to do exactly what you are suggesting with Diva. I can record my playing straight to audio and a midi track as well...

And if you don't like it or want to use it, that is completely fine... choices are good!

[zvenx]

Let's consider a vintage Minimoog. Not only do you have only 1 instance, you have only 1 voice! That is terrible performance compared to any softsynth... Yet people pay thousands of dollars for them.

Kind of a poor example really :/
With a hardware synth and of course an audio interface, you can record the synth part and MIDI at the same time. if you ever need to correct the played part, correct the MIDI, let the synth be controlled by the MIDI and record the output audio. Then you can have as many recorded instances of the Moog as you possibly want. Actually, probably the most (CPU) efficient way of using instruments...maybe not the most convenient though.

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Isn't this exactly what you can do with freezing in your DAW? And therefore doing as many tracks of diva as you want?
rsp

[braj]

Let's consider a vintage Minimoog. Not only do you have only 1 instance, you have only 1 voice! That is terrible performance compared to any softsynth... Yet people pay thousands of dollars for them.

Kind of a poor example really :/
With a hardware synth and of course an audio interface, you can record the synth part and MIDI at the same time. if you ever need to correct the played part, correct the MIDI, let the synth be controlled by the MIDI and record the output audio. Then you can have as many recorded instances of the Moog as you possibly want. Actually, probably the most (CPU) efficient way of using instruments...maybe not the most convenient though.

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Isn't this exactly what you can do with freezing in your DAW? And therefore doing as many tracks of diva as you want?
rsp

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[ntom]

I doubt you are playing 45 layers at once.. wall of noise.. messy. v1.1 won't get you 45 instances at once.. but probably 6-12 depending on the patches used and quality level..

Whoops, sorry, I should have made that more clear. I meant the entire song, in it's entirety (great use of synonyms, no?) is comprised of 45 layers or so. This includes strings, synths, vocals, drums, ect. I can tell you there are 8 layers of strings, 12 layers of drums (patched through MicroTonic) and about 6 layers of samples. The rest come from various synths: a Moog emulator, Scanned Synth, Serenity Free, Reaktor Player (which is so inefficient on the CPU I actually had to write it's part and render it down), Zebralette, and a few other small synths.

But we don't have to use the exact same synth for all 45+ layers.. use it on the more forward ones, for instance.. or to fill in the thinner synths

Probably would work best that way huh? This is usually how I try to make my crappy little freeware synths sound more full. Layers.

either way.. to each their own.. we all don't have to like the same things.

Perfect point. I was simply answering the topic's question: Does any one NOT like Diva? my answer was: yes, I don't.
I don't hate it, don't get me wrong. I doubt I would ever use it (but I can't predict the future). The fidelity of the first note ever uttered by DIVA when I demoed it during Beta was by far impressive. But again; I go back to my original statement, it's quality - to me (all opinion based) - is not worth the CPU use.

[Mikelo]

I haven't demoed Diva yet but what I've heard so far from it hasn't lost my love for Korg's legacy collection Polysix. IMO the Polysix and the Mono/Poly are by far the best analog sounding virtual synths to MY ears. Both also at ridiculous prices.

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[digitalboytn]

the guy from Hamburg-Audio.de in this German video - http://www.musotalk.de/video/u-he-diva- ... der-woche/

Any German speakers care to translate (I think it's the guy with the funny goatee that we're interested in)?

Hey you German guys can't even speak your own language !

What that dude's saying is that if you have an open mind and you couldn't give a toss if a synth is digital,analog or anything in between and if you are interested in a synth that sounds really incredible on any level - you should check out Diva

Erm.... no, that's NOT what he's saying. Read my post a bit higher up.

I realize you're joking, but I'm sure Mr Funny Goatee would be heartbroken to hear himself misquoted.

Sorry about that...I only attended "How to Speak German for Tourists 101" and skipped all but one of the classes because I got caught up playing with this synth called Diva...So my translation may have had a few small errors...

I am totally psyched cause I happen to value the sound quality more than convenience and Diva has set a new standard of sound quality. Different people have different priorities and I'm glad that there are more offerings available like Diva, Bazille and Synth Squad. If there is something for everyone, then we are all pleased!

I really agree with this...If we all painted with blue crayon,it would be a very blue world indeed..

I use a few tools,but it is the sound quality of Diva that has really changed the whole ball game here....

Deep,three dimensional soundstage - HUGE on a good monitoring system....

I have had to to re-think the game after playing with Diva..I've gone back to other synths and thought,"This has got no real dynamics and it sounds like a turd"...So they have been assigned to software heaven now...

This is the way of the world

[glokraw]

Should be steady sales for Diva, as people who don't buy it due
to older cpu, will upgrade their systems by attrition or for
other reasons over time, and remember they can now use Diva
with more instances, higher quality settings. With new features,
and sound designers adding to the value in the interim, time is
on Divas side, and future users side.

[samsam]

I have short hair and don't wear flares or a cape - is Diva still a good choice?

[glokraw]

Britney sagt 'Ich liebe alle gross Divas'

[deathwish]

I have the demo. The CPU usage is too high for per voice to really make it worth removing a few other instruments in the mix. Arturia J8v may not sound as good but I can run several instances of it no problem and in a mix one can't really pick out a Diva from a J8v.

[digitalboytn]

I have the demo. The CPU usage is too high for per voice to really make it worth removing a few other instruments in the mix. Arturia J8v may not sound as good but I can run several instances of it no problem and in a mix one can't really pick out a Diva from a J8v.

A guy I used to hang out with at a music crematorium back in the day is the leader of a string orchestra and he plays an old violin that's valued at over 10 million dollars...

He plays a mighty fine fiddle too He's always had the "magic"...

I don't know how these things get valued,but it has a wonderful tone and like most fine instruments,in the hands of a master it really sings

He doesn't describle his appreciation of this instrument in technical terms or even try to understand the complexities that go into making it "work"...

He just love's it's intrinsic qualities and the way it touches his heart...

When he's soaring over the top of the orchestra,you can really hear it's clear and distinctive voice....It's like heaven on earth....

Not everyone is going to find Diva is to their liking and everyone is going to find an argument to support their particular position,but I do believe that the sound quality is outstanding and she has raised the level of our expectations...

I don't care what symantics are applied to the situation...

She just feels like a mighty fine musical instrument to me and I make music with her

[izonin]

[starts buying Divas like crazy 'cause in 300 years they'll go for a couple million a piece]

[pdxindy]

[starts buying Divas like crazy 'cause in 300 years they'll go for a couple million a piece]

too late! I bought them all!!

[PraxisCat]

I like it but I am not sure I find it usable because of the resource usage. I can pull off the same sounds in other software products without the CPU hit. Note I am running on an i7 sandy bridge, my system is no slouch. While Diva is an accurate emulation of classic systems, in fact frequently dead on, that is not always what I am looking for. The thing is the CPU usage makes it a bit unusable to me. I guess this is the only real critique one can offer. Its a great vst, that will only get better with time. But right now it is a little too ahead of its time and it eats into too much CPU. By the time I replace my computer though it will be perfect.

[justin3am]

DIVA isn't my favorite U-He synth but I don't dislike it. I've never met a synth I didn't like.

It's not an issue of sound quality. I've said numerous times that it probably sounds better than any VA synth (hardware or software) I've ever heard. Particularly when it comes to audio rate modulation of the filter and high resonance sounds.

It's not an issue of CPU consumption. I generally bounce to audio very early on. I rarely have more than 2 or 3 soft synths running at once anymore. My 12core i7 MacPro can handle much more than i throw at it.

While DIVA has a lot of cool features that I appreciate (patchable modulation modifiers, the 'Trimmers' page) I generally don't get much joy from the style of subtractive synthesis that DIVA focuses on. When it comes to oscillators, I tend to prefer the Serge NTO, Buchla 259 and digital FM/wavetable oscillators to Moog, Roland or Korg VCOs.

The filters in DIVA do sound amazing, though. No denying that.

Anyway, DIVA may not be for everyone but thats not big deal. That doesn't mean it's not a great synth.