Saurus or Minimonsta

[Kriminal]

Diva replaces both of them.

not really

MM has a ton more modulation options, and it makes amazing bass sounds.

I think MiniMonsta can still hold its own today.

[pdxindy]

My opinion is that it COULD be mentioned when it is done in a more or less correct context (e.g. as a Minimoog emulation like Minimonsta is) and in a more or less objective comparison of features and/or sound (like i found that several of the Jupiter sounds of Diva could be nicely done with Saurus). It could also be used a "bad example" in terms of CPU use...
The problem is that some people start a rant by just naming it and a real discussion does not seem to be possible and for some it seems almost impossible to admit that there are also other great sounding VA synths like e.g. Saurus on the market.

It is reasonable for you to mention those things... and it is also reasonable for people to reply, especially if they think your representation is inaccurate or biased.

What you are arguing is that you should be allowed to define things how you want and nobody who disagrees with your assessment should reply. Sorry, but that is not how the forum works.

I would argue that Diva is NOT a bad example of CPU use. Push Diva to some extremes and it still sings sweetly. You are getting a very high level of sonic fidelity across all the range of controls in exchange for high cpu use. Each person can make the choice if they value what you get for the cpu use. Nothing wrong with you or anyone else deciding it is not worth it for you... but you are getting something for that high cpu use and it is not just an 'inefficient' synth.

Sylenth is a sweet sounding synth. It uses very little cpu and the developer carefully chose which features to put in. He only put features he could make sound really good for low cpu. Sylenth exchanges features for basically sounding good no matter what settings you use. A fine choice by the developer. It has been successful and many people are entirely happy with it.

Saurus went a different way and has a number of features that ask for lots of cpu if you just want to turn the dial anywhere so it is easy to make it sound bad. So you as the user are having to find the sweet spots and avoid the ugly ones. That is a fine choice by the developer too. You get more sonic range than Sylenth and still keep a fairly low cpu but cannot just twist a dial without risk.

The developers all have to make give and take choices about these things. To get low cpu you have to give things up. To get those things you have to use cpu. And the diversity of choices by developers lets different people find different synths that suit their needs/interests.

[LeVzi]

My opinion is that it COULD be mentioned when it is done in a more or less correct context (e.g. as a Minimoog emulation like Minimonsta is) and in a more or less objective comparison of features and/or sound (like i found that several of the Jupiter sounds of Diva could be nicely done with Saurus). It could also be used a "bad example" in terms of CPU use...
The problem is that some people start a rant by just naming it and a real discussion does not seem to be possible and for some it seems almost impossible to admit that there are also other great sounding VA synths like e.g. Saurus on the market.

It is reasonable for you to mention those things... and it is also reasonable for people to reply, especially if they think your representation is inaccurate or biased.

What you are arguing is that you should be allowed to define things how you want and nobody who disagrees with your assessment should reply. Sorry, but that is not how the forum works.

I would argue that Diva is NOT a bad example of CPU use. Push Diva to some extremes and it still sings sweetly. You are getting a very high level of sonic fidelity across all the range of controls in exchange for high cpu use. Each person can make the choice if they value what you get for the cpu use. Nothing wrong with you or anyone else deciding it is not worth it for you... but you are getting something for that high cpu use and it is not just an 'inefficient' synth.

Sylenth is a sweet sounding synth. It uses very little cpu and the developer carefully chose which features to put in. He only put features he could make sound really good for low cpu. Sylenth exchanges features for basically sounding good no matter what settings you use. A fine choice by the developer. It has been successful and many people are entirely happy with it.

Saurus went a different way and has a number of features that ask for lots of cpu if you just want to turn the dial anywhere so it is easy to make it sound bad. So you as the user are having to find the sweet spots and avoid the ugly ones. That is a fine choice by the developer too. You get more sonic range than Sylenth and still keep a fairly low cpu but cannot just twist a dial without risk.

The developers all have to make give and take choices about these things. To get low cpu you have to give things up. To get those things you have to use cpu. And the diversity of choices by developers lets different people find different synths that suit their needs/interests.

I don't know what you are talking about when you say it's easy to make Saurus sound bad. You can say that about any synth. If you are inexperienced in Synthesis then any synth can be made to sound harsh and awful. It's not just 1 synth guilty of that by any means.

[braj]

It seems some like to only mention Diva if it serves their interest in tearing it down, and they will protest every other mention of it that comes up, whether here or in exclusive Diva threads. If they can make it a 'bad example' then they'll happily mention it and when said persons are making presets (in business with effectively) the competing product they are pushing at the same time, I have to think 'vested interest' and discount their opinion heavily.

I don't want to mention Diva, but since people who don't want to mention it keep mentioning it, I figure I'm entitled to give my opinion as well, especially when I feel it is done not out of an honest assessment but a competitive spirit. I don't think it was necessary to bring Diva up at all in this whole thread, but can't stand by and see it dishonestly maligned.

[Kriminal]

I don't know what you are talking about when you say it's easy to make Saurus sound bad. You can say that about any synth. If you are inexperienced in Synthesis then any synth can be made to sound harsh and awful. It's not just 1 synth guilty of that by any means.

try reading his post again, before flying off the handle, or you might make yourslef look like the one who is 'inexperienced in synthesis'

[Kriminal]

i would say forget both of the originals, and try impOSCar 2

[braj]

The developers all have to make give and take choices about these things. To get low cpu you have to give things up. To get those things you have to use cpu. And the diversity of choices by developers lets different people find different synths that suit their needs/interests.

+1

[mr president]

Ive tried diva and saurus and theres nothing wrong with any of them. the demo of diva is what i have to play with and i just like playing and hearing the presets, true it smashes the processor sometimes but other presets dont. A while back the same things were said about karma fx synth modular for its sound and processor hit on the not too powerful computers when it first was released. Now its been forgotten about and it still sounds incredible, best of all i can now use it brilliantly because the processors have caught up. in time this conversation will be irrelevant because the computers will be powerful to handle Diva anyway. of course by then some new wonder synths will have surfaced and the flames will again start to burn of which is better. My advice, check out the ones that have been forgotten!!
(terratec komplexer anyone?)

[LeVzi]

I don't know what you are talking about when you say it's easy to make Saurus sound bad. You can say that about any synth. If you are inexperienced in Synthesis then any synth can be made to sound harsh and awful. It's not just 1 synth guilty of that by any means.

try reading his post again, before flying off the handle, or you might make yourslef look like the one who is 'inexperienced in synthesis'

Saurus went a different way and has a number of features that ask for lots of cpu if you just want to turn the dial anywhere so it is easy to make it sound bad. So you as the user are having to find the sweet spots and avoid the ugly ones. That is a fine choice by the developer too. You get more sonic range than Sylenth and still keep a fairly low cpu but cannot just twist a dial without risk.

Maybe you want to listen to your own advice.

It's been said all along that if you push Saurus it gets harsh. Well if you push any synth, especially with LFO's with audio rate speeds, you can make anything sound harsh. Sylenth, as stunning as it sounds, can also sound like a bag of spanners if you don't know what you are doing.

[braj]

Ive tried diva and saurus and theres nothing wrong with any of them. the demo of diva is what i have to play with and i just like playing and hearing the presets, true it smashes the processor sometimes but other presets dont. A while back the same things were said about karma fx synth modular for its sound and processor hit on the not too powerful computers when it first was released. Now its been forgotten about and it still sounds incredible, best of all i can now use it brilliantly because the processors have caught up. in time this conversation will be irrelevant because the computers will be powerful to handle Diva anyway. of course by then some new wonder synths will have surfaced and the flames will again start to burn of which is better. My advice, check out the ones that have been forgotten!!
(terratec komplexer anyone?)

That is an interesting comment in the context of comparing a new synth with a 5+ year old synth in this thread. I personally think it is great that all my synths will steadily become more efficient as CPU power increases, kind of the opposite effect of what you get with an aging car

[Kriminal]

I don't know what you are talking about when you say it's easy to make Saurus sound bad. You can say that about any synth. If you are inexperienced in Synthesis then any synth can be made to sound harsh and awful. It's not just 1 synth guilty of that by any means.

try reading his post again, before flying off the handle, or you might make yourslef look like the one who is 'inexperienced in synthesis'

Saurus went a different way and has a number of features that ask for lots of cpu if you just want to turn the dial anywhere so it is easy to make it sound bad. So you as the user are having to find the sweet spots and avoid the ugly ones. That is a fine choice by the developer too. You get more sonic range than Sylenth and still keep a fairly low cpu but cannot just twist a dial without risk.

Maybe you want to listen to your own advice.

It's been said all along that if you push Saurus it gets harsh. Well if you push any synth, especially with LFO's with audio rate speeds, you can make anything sound harsh. Sylenth, as stunning as it sounds, can also sound like a bag of spanners if you don't know what you are doing.

there you go again making a tit of yourself in public by being a fanboy

why you take stuff like this personally is beyond me, all you have to do is read and understand. If you did that you wouldnt have the knee jerk reaction you just supplied

[ariston]

Well if you push any synth, especially with LFO's with audio rate speeds, you can make anything sound harsh.

I disagree strongly with this. I've got about four synths in my plugin folder that can do the kind of audio rate modulation you mention here - without harshness. I'd name them, but you'd probably start to rant again, so I'll keep it on topic.

@Examigan: I dunno, that site really looks dodgy to me. Is M-Audio distributing Minimonsta in the US? And it looks like they're selling a CD, not a download.

[LeVzi]

Well if you push any synth, especially with LFO's with audio rate speeds, you can make anything sound harsh.

I disagree strongly with this. I've got about four synths in my plugin folder that can do the kind of audio rate modulation you mention here - without harshness. I'd name them, but you'd probably start to rant again, so I'll keep it on topic.

@Examigan: I dunno, that site really looks dodgy to me. Is M-Audio distributing Minimonsta in the US? And it looks like they're selling a CD, not a download.

No, go ahead, i'm interested to hear about them.

[pdxindy]

But as for dropping a vendetta ? There is no vendetta, it's just a plain fact that wherever a thread comes up like this, YOU and a few select others spam it with DIVA references. So why don't you stop spamming threads, and we'll not need to speak again, capiche ?

It was about Saurus and Minimonsta, nothing to do with your precious DIVA.

That supposed fact is made up by you from your own ongoing negative bias. Go find a thread where I did as you say. You wont because I only respond to what others say. I didn't bring up Diva in this thread (nor did I in other threads). Once it is being discussed, I might reply, or I might not. In this thread I tried to stop the focus on Diva by mentioning that the OP has an old cpu that cannot handle it. But the people who say they don't want to hear about Diva (like yourself) do more to bring the focus there than anyone.

Btw, Ingonator initiates Diva discussion more than anyone else.

[LeVzi]

I don't know what you are talking about when you say it's easy to make Saurus sound bad. You can say that about any synth. If you are inexperienced in Synthesis then any synth can be made to sound harsh and awful. It's not just 1 synth guilty of that by any means.

try reading his post again, before flying off the handle, or you might make yourslef look like the one who is 'inexperienced in synthesis'

Saurus went a different way and has a number of features that ask for lots of cpu if you just want to turn the dial anywhere so it is easy to make it sound bad. So you as the user are having to find the sweet spots and avoid the ugly ones. That is a fine choice by the developer too. You get more sonic range than Sylenth and still keep a fairly low cpu but cannot just twist a dial without risk.

Maybe you want to listen to your own advice.

It's been said all along that if you push Saurus it gets harsh. Well if you push any synth, especially with LFO's with audio rate speeds, you can make anything sound harsh. Sylenth, as stunning as it sounds, can also sound like a bag of spanners if you don't know what you are doing.

there you go again making a tit of yourself in public by being a fanboy

why you take stuff like this personally is beyond me, all you have to do is read and understand. If you did that you wouldnt have the knee jerk reaction you just supplied

So stating facts is being a fanboy ? Righto !