Cubase 8 Release Date?

[lfm]

And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs.

Excuse me Mr., but 150 Euros every two years and 50 more in-between has nothing to do with "free". And they are the only DAW company who actually do this ATM (in this time frame at least)....

Please go and have your common sense calibrated.

150+50 = 200, 200/720 = 0.27euros ($0.33) a day for keeping your software up to date. As you probably, like everyone else, drink beers once a week in a bar, let's say you spend 15e/week in beers, 15x52x2 = 1560 euros ($1960).

Please go and have your common sense calibrated !

Or take a Reaper $60 license, now mine 2 major version has lasted 4 years(so far, not ended yet until v5).
Let's see - 1500 days at least ...you do the math.

Isn't this what we talk about - the relative cost of daws . And initial cost of Cubase was not included either.

So add $700 or so - app. Cubase $0.65 a day vs Reaper $0.04 a day(4 year perspective).

[budweiser]

100 euro/year is peanuts for something like cubase. You just don't realise what you have in your hands.

[ZINO]

100 euro/year is peanuts for something like cubase. You just don't realise what you have in your hands.

Like you said, with these prices you end up actually renting your beloved Cubase.

[Compyfox]

I had to dig a bit through the backlogs to get to know who you are - due to that, I'll keep my answer short and simple.

Is it just me or are you raving all the time about Cubase' upgrade fees? I mean if you are are freelancer and want to make your Business with Audio production, you should rather get customers on your side instead of bashing Steinberg all the time.

How I run my business is none of your business. Plain and simple.

I'm a freelancer, yes. But as freelancer I need to stay as competitive as big companies. Even more so, especially with certain hosts (not necessarily Cubase, but definitely Wavelab).

I don't know what Steinberg did to you

This is where I stop the discussion.

I pretty much wrote up and down what issues I (and funny enough, by now several other KVRians as well) have with Cubase alone. And I won't even touch Wavelab at this point. Use the search function and ignore the trolls.

You don't have to buy an upgrade if you are THIS low on money. And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs. Maybe Image Line does it, but you don't know what and how many people are working there.

Again, yes I have to upgrade at some point to stay competitive. But this is not the main point here.

The main point is, that CubEndo 7 was sold in a broken state to a lot of users. Not necessarily the users on KVR, but definitely other music communities like GearSlutz, heck even the own Steinberg board (a lot of people were kicked out after the C7 release, threads were cleaned, etc). This came up "after" the people bought into it, even waiting 2-3 months for the first maintenance updates. And since it's release End 2012, a lot of pressing issues are still being ignored, while others were only fixed with "paid updates" (if ever) - and the announced "improvements" are to some people straight disimprovements.

For this, you pay a lot of money - which is just not adjusted anymore. Neither is a "renting system". And this, for all that matters, is the main criticism since day 1.

Sadly, Wavelab is now going the very same route (here I know that the dev team is only about 5-10 people max, compared to the whole staff of 200-400 people maybe).

Though a fun fact, ex-Cubase SX coders who are now Presonus Studio One coders, learned from mistakes of their former fellows and now competition. They said with S1 v2.6 "you know what - no interim paid updates, maintenance stuff is for free. If you want the add-ons, pay 20bucks per pack - no pressure". They understood the concept and took criticism to heart (as of this moment at least)!


What is also disregarded at this point (something that is always ignored), is that other software and especially hardware also needs maintenance. This is adding up, and even with tight set priorities, the host is still the most important piece of software. Comparison to "drink less beer/smoke less" and saying "you only pay x-amount per day - so save up" doesn't make sense in this case either. You can't save as much money as you sometimes need to spend on maintenance alone. You got to live off of something as well. Doesn't matter if you're a freelancer, a person with a good job, or leading a company with a 2k plus per month - the cost for maintenance adapt.


You (auron) seem to be on the Mac (from reading your backlogs), you don't seem to have any issues. Then be happy that this is the case (this counts to all possible "post jumpers", you know who you are). And if you feel like being treated well, keep on supporting the company. Others aren't so lucky. And this is all those talk about - negative experience. They tried to get in touch with the company, they tried to talk things through, tried to get things fixed, improved. It didn't happen - instead they were asked to be "patient" and forced to "invest even more money" with the promise "things will be fixed".

This then spirals down in ranting on boards/blogs/twitter and the likes - even with the comment "speak with your wallet". And this is often taken down the wrong pipe, especially on boards like KVR Audio or absolute company "fanboys" (dare I say that out loud), and the usual digital-ego comparison is breaking loose. Already started in here as well.


Why is it, that companies like iLok can be shred to pieces if they funk up (and try to fix things in a timely manner), but apparently companies like Steinberg, AVID and Apple can be not?


Conclusion to all of this:
End of line for me. Want to discuss this further, PM me.

[lfm]

100 euro/year is peanuts for something like cubase. You just don't realise what you have in your hands.

Calc says about $950 keeping up to date 4 years - so a bit more including initial cost.

Quite a lot in Cubase, I admit. Learning Elements I studied Cubase manual on the side for a month.

But so much effort on to me meaningless things like the Project Editor - numerous operations on clips and files and things on a global scale.

If they spent that time on reworking the workflow and routing instead - so much better use. Place busses/grouptracks anywhere you like inside track folders etc. So much easier to manage the project when it grows to full size.

No messing with different track types like Instrument tracks vs what they call VST Instrument channels(synthrack basically). Do like Sonar - simple instrument track or midi+synthrack always become a track and a slot in synthrack and either can have multiple outs.

You have these FX tracks and grouptracks(busses) where FX tracks really seems obsolete now. You can do the same more things with busses. Yet another thing that makes Cubase something from the 90's and a lot of addon patches - nothing is really reworked fully to be modern.

So I'm hoping for something really major rework and new design i C8.

[standalone]

especially on boards like KVR Audio or absolute company "fanboys" (dare I say that out loud)

You are an absolute Slate Digital, DMG Audio and PACE/iLok fanboy that have completely trashed their competitors in this forum.

And you would be an absolute Steinberg fanboy too if only they implemented a couple of your infamous "25 Totally Reasonable Feature Requests". That's your real grip against them, the rest is fog.

[ZINO]

especially on boards like KVR Audio or absolute company "fanboys" (dare I say that out loud)

You are an absolute Slate Digital, DMG Audio and PACE/iLok fanboy that have completely trashed their competitors in this forum.

And you would be an absolute Steinberg fanboy too if only they implemented a couple of your infamous "25 Totally Reasonable Feature Requests". That's your real grip against them, the rest is fog.

If you don't bother to open your eyes you will see that there are countless of unhappy $teingberg users all over the internet.

[Compyfox]

So I'm hoping for something really major rework and new design i C8.

Maybe C8 will actually be postponed another year and then called Cubase X, to start a new "cycle" with a new "Backbone". As it happened with VST5 to SX1 (the comment back then was: "we had to get rid of the Spaghetti Code"). But, that is sadly highly unlikely.

The switch from SX3 to C4 was mainly re-skinning. But you can only get so far with spaghetti code. And even Steinberg reps said at GearSlutz "in order to fix all bugs [in the mix console], we need to rewrite the host".


Then by all means, please do so (Steinberg) to stop the waves of criticism, and rethink your price politics on top of it. The competition certainly doesn't sleep on that behalf, picks up the vibes and is eager to not repeat the same mistakes with their companies.

You are an absolute Slate Digital, DMG Audio and PACE/iLok fanboy that have completely trashed their competitors in this forum.

I'm a "fanboy" for far more companies and indipentent developers than Slate Digital, DMG Audio, Focusrite, Nomad Factory, Melda Production, Klanghelm, Musiclab, Steinberg, ArtsAcoustic, Spectrasonics, Ichiro Toda, Novation, Impact Soundworks, 8DIO, Best Service, Zero-G, BHK Samples, Variety of Sound, Tokyo Dawn Labs, Fabfilter, Valhalla Sound, Distorque Audio, Eiosis, SoundToys, HOFA, ToneBoosters, IK Multimedia, The Serina Experiment, Hollow Sun, Pettinhouse, Eventide, FXPansion, etc, etc, etc, etc.

And you would be an absolute Steinberg fanboy too if only they implemented a couple of your infamous "25 Totally Reasonable Feature Requests". That's your real grip against them, the rest is fog.

If you read my FR's on the Steinberg page, which you seem to have done - else you wouldn't bring it up, a lot of them were indeed reasonable. One of them was going back to the old Insert Plugin handling. But you do like taking the piss out on others.

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If you don't bother to open your eyes there are countless of unhappy $teingberg users all over the internet.

Forget it ZINO, for users like standalone, there are no issues.
Only plain outright blind vendetta and "only my view is the right view - I don't have issues, neither do you".

This is called "to have blinders on".

[budweiser]

100 euro/year is peanuts for something like cubase. You just don't realise what you have in your hands.

Like you said, with these prices you end up actually renting your beloved Cubase.

You get it. It's a rent. I pay for the ease of use and for steinberg to go on and make cubase 8, 9, etc. Cubase is faaaaar from perfect, but its overall ease of use is why i still prefer it over reaper or studio one. 100e/year is more than fair to me.
Don't expect bug free and awsome software if you're not ready to pay for it.

[ZINO]

Don't expect bug free and awsome software if you're not ready to pay for it.

The real problem with them is that users pay $$$$, yet it isn't (not perfect, but even close to bug free). Moreover, the state that they've left Cubase 6.0x and, especially, 7.0x releases begs for a lawsuit.

[budweiser]

The real problem with them is that users pay $$$$, yet it isn't (not perfect, but even close to bug free).

You're right, but i'm afraid it's the same everywhere. Blame apple that drastically reduced the logic price to attract new consumers on mac platform and kill the competition, and cakewalk and the likes that launch a new sonar every year with slightly revamped interface, new plugs, but still the old bugfest. Faster, weaker.
Steinberg did not reduced the cubase price.
Steinberg did not changed their 2 years release cycle.
Cubase is not perfect at all, but i'm ok with his bugs & quirks. Teamed (or not) with samplitude, it's a powerhouse.

[ZINO]

Don't expect bug free and awsome software if you're not ready to pay for it.

You're right, but i'm afraid it's the same everywhere.
......
Cubase is not perfect at all, but i'm ok with his bugs & quirks.

This is called contradiction.

[Compyfox]

Again, several sides to a medal.

You're right, but i'm afraid it's the same everywhere. Blame apple that drastically reduced the logic price to attract new consumers on mac platform and kill the competition,

First and foremost, Apple pulled the price on Logic - drastically even (I still remember it costing 399, full L9 Pro bundle!). Since the day they bought the host, they wanted it to be a "part" of the OS. On top of that, between Logic 9 and Logic X were what... 5 years? People were already looking elsewhere. So their logical solution: drop the price, get their old users back on board, and pick up some new ones "now that Apple is all-the-rage again". You'll never know how much Logic 11 will cost - whenever that might hit.

That and the fact that you had to spend 99USD per OS update at this point (Mavericks not counting, first free update in a while). So this is still adding up mathematically if you want to do maintenance. Apple is pretty much funding itself with iTunes/iOS store and their sold hardware. Logic is just a side product at this point.

And from reading feedback all over the internet, Logic X seems to run rock solid by now - with free maintenance updates. How old is Logic X? 2 years now as well?

and cakewalk and the likes that launch a new sonar every year with slightly revamped interface, new plugs, but still the old bugfest. Faster, weaker.

But Cakewalk did improve Sonar X3 compared to earlier versions, no?
And you don't pay as much as (say) ProTools and Cubase in terms of upgrades? Am I missing something here?

Steinberg did not reduced the cubase price.

Correct, they gradually raised it.

Steinberg did not changed their 2 years release cycle.

Correct, they shortened it to 10 months to 1,2 year(s) (major and dot-5 version).

Cubase is not perfect at all, but i'm ok with his bugs & quirks. Teamed (or not) with samplitude, it's a powerhouse.

Samplitude has it's own history of yearly "paid upgrade" releases.

[budweiser]

Don't expect bug free and awsome software if you're not ready to pay for it.

You're right, but i'm afraid it's the same everywhere.
......
Cubase is not perfect at all, but i'm ok with his bugs & quirks.

This is called contradiction.

No. Today bug free daws do not exist anymore, too much complexity and interactions. But cubase is free from show stoppers, at least to me and on my system.

[budweiser]

Again, several sides to a medal.

Yep, probably !
Concerning logic and its stability, i can't comment, i'm not a mac user and hate apple and their way of thinking, but all i can say is : if i was a kid today i shall buy a mac & logic over a pc and cubase, mainly because of the price or logic.

I don't know if cakewalk improved sonar x3, but one thing i know for sure is they did not improve or fixed any of the bugs between sonar 6 and sonar x2, so i don't see why they would change their mind now, if their business model works like it is. I own sonar 6, sonar 8 and x2, and it's the less reliable daw i have ever tried. X2 do not always recall my eq settings correctly, among other things. However the sonar gui and the sonar drag and drop are the best i've tried. I still use the soft for making audio loops and some kontakt editing.

steinberg raised the price of cubase, yes. Nothing anormal here, to me.

Cubase 7 was launched a bit earlier that other versions, yes, but does that mean steinberg shortened this release cycle ? October to october is still 12 months...