ValhallaPlate Updated to Version 1.5.0

[Mister Natural]

want this VST EFX < new house < I'm broke

:=)

will buy it one day soon - mad respect for your work Valhalla

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I already have Sound Toys and a Strymon El Capistan, but if you made a tape echo effect, I would still buy it in an instant.

Never heard of the El Capistan. Just googled it: it's pricey but what a cool box. I just bought a TC Electronic Flashback which is nice in and of itself (and a third the price), but the El Capistan is really everything I want in a Space Echo style delay.

I bring this up not to derail the thread, but Sean mentioned Space Echo, spring reverb, tape delay, and the El Capistan might be able to provide some inspiration particularly when it comes to the feature set (if that's a direction Sean is looking to go in). Love that there's a spring reverb built in to this, along with tape age, wow+flutter, and even a tape crinkle along with all the usual delay effects.

[deastman]

I already have Sound Toys and a Strymon El Capistan, but if you made a tape echo effect, I would still buy it in an instant.

Never heard of the El Capistan. Just googled it: it's pricey but what a cool box. I just bought a TC Electronic Flashback which is nice in and of itself (and a third the price), but the El Capistan is really everything I want in a Space Echo style delay.

I bring this up not to derail the thread, but Sean mentioned Space Echo, spring reverb, tape delay, and the El Capistan might be able to provide some inspiration particularly when it comes to the feature set (if that's a direction Sean is looking to go in). Love that there's a spring reverb built in to this, along with tape age, wow+flutter, and even a tape crinkle along with all the usual delay effects.

More importantly, the tape echo white paper which Strymon published might be useful to consider.

[valhallasound]

I already have Sound Toys and a Strymon El Capistan, but if you made a tape echo effect, I would still buy it in an instant.

Never heard of the El Capistan. Just googled it: it's pricey but what a cool box. I just bought a TC Electronic Flashback which is nice in and of itself (and a third the price), but the El Capistan is really everything I want in a Space Echo style delay.

I bring this up not to derail the thread, but Sean mentioned Space Echo, spring reverb, tape delay, and the El Capistan might be able to provide some inspiration particularly when it comes to the feature set (if that's a direction Sean is looking to go in). Love that there's a spring reverb built in to this, along with tape age, wow+flutter, and even a tape crinkle along with all the usual delay effects.

Here's an existing thread for Valhalla delay speculation / suggestions:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&t=372821

I have the El Capistan. It sounds really good, but it is missing this certain quality I hear in the tape delays I have worked with. Wanna know more? Head on over to http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&t=372821 and ask away!!!

Sean Costello

[valhallasound]

I'm not a big reverb guy. I'm from the old school that believes if you can hear it then there's too much of it. I am not swayed by 20-second tails on lush pads - they sound great but it's not something I'll ever actually use.

Consequently, I really thought that VRoom was the last reverb I'd ever buy. (Despite what the factory presets suggest, VRoom does shorter, subtler diffusion quite well.) I only demoed VPlate out of respect for Sean's body of work, intending only to check it out. Not to buy it.

Shortest demo-to-buy cycle ever. Much to my surprise, VRoom has now been supplanted by VPlate as my go-to reverb for vocals and lead instruments.

I'm surprised how well ValhallaPlate does on the "subtle diffusion" ambiences, since it wasn't designed for that. The goal was to create good sounding mid-length decays (in the 2 to 4 second range), which is the normal application of plates. For whatever reason, these algorithms sound good as really SHORT reverbs, i.e. < 1 second.

For what it is worth, the sound of Cobalt at the shortest decay was really close to an EMT140 we tested in person, set to its shortest decay. But I don't think I've ever heard plates on recordings actually SET to their shortest decay. If you think about it, the studios that used EMT140s wouldn't have used any sort of reverb for a short room ambience - they could just set up room mikes for that same effect. Plates were probably always reserved for medium to long decays.

Sean Costello

[Krakatau]

I'm surprised how well ValhallaPlate does on the "subtle diffusion" ambiences, since it wasn't designed for that.

+1

to my ears among likely many others, very impressive and various kind of ambiences/early reflections possibilities, especially on drums and percussions, so far...

...BTW wheren't you involved in the creation of Adverb for audio damage ?

[valhallasound]

I'm surprised how well ValhallaPlate does on the "subtle diffusion" ambiences, since it wasn't designed for that.

+1

to my ears among likely many others, very impressive and various kind of ambiences/early reflections possibilities, especially on drums and percussions, so far...

...BTW wheren't you involved in the creation of Adverb for audio damage ?

I created the Eos algorithms for Audio Damage. Adverb was out a few years before I did the Eos work.

[camsr]

I'm surprised how well ValhallaPlate does on the "subtle diffusion" ambiences, since it wasn't designed for that. The goal was to create good sounding mid-length decays (in the 2 to 4 second range), which is the normal application of plates. For whatever reason, these algorithms sound good as really SHORT reverbs, i.e. < 1 second.

...which makes it very appealing since plates tend to have a medium amount of time for decay. The sound of a plate with less decay.

[keyman_sam]

Demo'ed this and fell in love. Didn't like the room when I demoed it a long time back.

But seeing as Room seems to be the most popular choice, perhaps I overlooked something?

As a reverb layman, might I ask - which one should i get? I only have budget for one, so which one should that be? I want it on pads, vocals, acoustic piano, and maybe guitar.

[IIRs]

Buy the one you fell in love with. Duh!

[Spitfire31]

Demo'ed this and fell in love. Didn't like the room when I demoed it a long time back.

But seeing as Room seems to be the most popular choice, perhaps I overlooked something?

As a reverb layman, might I ask - which one should i get? I only have budget for one, so which one should that be? I want it on pads, vocals, acoustic piano, and maybe guitar.

I'd say the best idea is to download the free demos for both of them and compare on your own instruments and recordings.

/Joachim

[jens]

I just purchased this - is it any good? (am at work right now so can't try)

[egbert]

Congrats on your new baby, Sean. Very tasteful, simple interface and great sounds.

[deastman]

Demo'ed this and fell in love. Didn't like the room when I demoed it a long time back.

But seeing as Room seems to be the most popular choice, perhaps I overlooked something?

As a reverb layman, might I ask - which one should i get? I only have budget for one, so which one should that be? I want it on pads, vocals, acoustic piano, and maybe guitar.

I would say that VRoom is a nice subtle reverb. VintageVerb is a dramatic, in your face, pay attention to me reverb.VPlate seems to be somewhere in between. IMHO of course.

[stardustmedia]

I would say that VRoom is a nice subtle reverb. VintageVerb is a dramatic, in your face, pay attention to me reverb.VPlate seems to be somewhere in between. IMHO of course.

And you can them have exactly the other way around. VVV subtle and Room in your face

Very general IMHO: Room = realistic side, Vintage = musical side
Actually both can be realistic and musical or both at the same time. But Vintage has definitely less realistic "possibilities" than Room.

I mainly use Room for early reflections and Vintage for the bigger 'verbs. I think Plate will do also more on the musical than on the realistic side. Room is my go-to for small rooms and dense early reflections that give you the "room" without hearing an obvious reverb.