New Slate fx !!!!

[jens]

Will people also go bat guano if the announcement is "hey, iLok2!"? (warning: rhetoric!)

What do you mean? for many of us a dongle is simply a dealbreaker, that's all... and I think we are pretty much entitled to that - would you not agree?

[Compyfox]

Q: why was RELAB LX480 and FG-X dropped in new subscription bundles (and on the page), while old users/renewals still get them?
A: FG-X still in there (it was corrected on webpage). Relax LX480 question answered here in pinned post: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1566611190249801/ (INFO: those that don't have Facebook, need a login)

So why then?

Can't tell... informed Steven Slate that this post is "locked away" form people not being on Facebook. So anyone who is a member of the group, can read it. Others have to trust what people repost.

Subscription only? What a relief. Usually I'm tempted to buy every new delay, but with subscription pricing I can now confidently ignore their products forever.

Cool down, the Slate plugins are available for buying as well.

Nope, don't think so.

Yes they are - click on the "our plugins" listing, select the plugin you want. Then either scroll down, or go to the vertical rounded thingy on the right side of the screen, lowest button. This jumps to "Pricing"

Example link:
http://slatedigital.com/fg-x-mastering- ... /#purchase

Then go to "add to cart" and it jumps to asecurecard.net

Will people also go bat guano if the announcement is "hey, iLok2!"? (warning: rhetoric!)

What do you mean? for many of us a dongle is simply a dealbreaker, that's all... and I think we are pretty much entitled to that - would you not agree?

I'm not touching this argumentation, jens. It's been debated until the dead and beaten horse already rotted away, and then some. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is still an anti-CP thread active in Everything Else, unless it moved to HPC already.

Let's just say that I don't care either way (except for Call & Response). No matter if studio rig or laptop. You don't like it - it's cool, more power to you. But plenty of fish (read: alternatives) in the sea. We're far from being "oh, only one company ported XYZ tool" in the audio realm at this point. This is not the later 90ies/early 2000s anymore.

[m00gie]

Hi guys,

I'd like to emend something. Repeater distributed via d16.pl will be protected by our method (key file / online activation). Repeater avilable at Slate Digital with iLok dongle.

Kind regards,
Sebastian / D16

[Compyfox]

That's wonderful, Sebastian...
Then I expect a warez release within the first 48hours once the plugin has been released...

So who is punished again? The users that got a "CP enforced upon them", or simply just either side of the legit paying people?

Food for thought

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

what's your point by the way?

That there is no 'one delay' to rule them all, unfortunately

[jens]

But plenty of fish (read: alternatives) in the sea. We're far from being "oh, only one company ported XYZ tool" in the audio realm at this point. This is not the later 90ies/early 2000s anymore.

do you really not see how this case here is very different?

D16 (afailk) up to now always used a keyfile as copy protection and some of us are (up to now) happy D16 customers and (I at least) would purchase D16's Repeater in a heartbeat, just not if they go dongle because of Slate's shitty influence on their business practices.

I still hope we read it all wrong, but if D16 really all of a sudden goes dongle because of Slate, then discussing this extraordinary step has got nothing to do with the typical anti-Ilok debate, so please stop tarnishing it as such from up therre on your high horse with your Slate-filled dongle up your ass and a smug smile on your face!

[e@rs]

Yo, the D16 man already said: key file protection for the d16.pl version. Cool!

[jens]

what's your point by the way?

That there is no 'one delay' to rule them all, unfortunately

No, of course there isn't. But D16 never pretended there was - don't confuse them with Steven Slate.

D16 Group would like to announce the Repeater. A new Vintage Modelled Delay unit designed and produced in collaboration with Slate Digital LLC. More details about this plug-in, special offers for our customers and more, will be revealed at the day of release. Stay tuned.

Sigmund
High Quality Flexible Delay Unit

That is how they advertise them.

[jens]

Yo, the D16 man already said: key file protection for the d16.pl version. Cool!

PHEW!!!

With that I can bow out of this thread.

Adios Slatigos.

[e@rs]

But Slate's so funny...















...or not?

[Compyfox]

do you really not see how this case here is very different?

The case is indeed very different now(!!!).

After the recent announcement by D16 Group to "also release, but via keyfile" - it now means two things to me:
a) I'm not valued as Slate Digital customer, because I'm "stupid to go iLok2" (add the LOL to your liking)
b) the D16 version will be cracked within a short while - which brings me back to point a = valued customer

Yes, I just scratched that surface.

I still hope we read it all wrong, but if D16 really all of a sudden goes dongle because of Slate, then discussing this extraordinary step has got nothing to do with the typical anti-Ilok debate, so please stop tarnishing it as such from up therre on your high horse with your Slate-filled dongle up your ass and a smug smile on your face!

This is why don't like your posts, jens. Always arrogant, always focused on yourself and "what you think is right, and how people should do it" (especially if it comes down to copy protection schemes - is there a fee for your club?), always way off the chart. And yes, it DOES always boil down to ani-CP debates (and therefore anti USB key hate).

Look, you get your wish - D16 Group does release this plugin without the need for an iLok2. Once it's out, test it. And if you like it, get it. Case closed, moving on.

But there is also the really, really bad aftertaste with the inevitable hacks, and then those people pulling a nose at the paying customers. Something that you like to constantly overlook. Something that will tick off a lot of users.

But this CP debate doesn't belong in here - we had PLENTY of threads about this topic in recent weeks. You don't like iLok, you think I have one sticking out of my rear end (great commentary btw - I have more than Slate on it, like SoundToys, UVI, Eventide, Eiosis, Line6, etc - does that mean I love to be borked by these other devs/companies as well?). We established that, great, all are happy - moving on.

Instead of barking up Slate Digital's tree like "Y U NO!", I said it before - plenty of fish in the sea.

Alternatives for the Distressor:
- Sknote
- Pensadia

Alternatives for the Delay:
- Soundtoys
- Native Instruments
- D16 (Sigmund)
- Variety of Sound ("OMG! Can't be, because Win only and still 32bit - Bootsie sucks!", right?)
- more in the queue from other devs

Alternatives for the Reverb
- plenty



And also - if people will speak with their wallet and rather go to D16 Group, what will that mean for the collaboration with Slate Digital on the long run? Ever thought about that? I mean, more power for D16 (and later Liquid Sonics). But who was the actual driving force of this collaboration? Who created the majority of the code? Who did the majority of the beta testing? Who will give whom a boost, and who will lose out on income in the long run?

Do we overlook this as well? Sure we do, because "Slate sucks...", am I right?

*sigh* This is the reason why I don't want to debate on KVR anymore... objectivity and weighted in thoughts down the window, pretty much always.




Also - sitting on the high horse is dangerous in battle. You can be dragged down, and you're not as agile compared to being on foot. Just saying...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

what's your point by the way?

That there is no 'one delay' to rule them all, unfortunately

No, of course there isn't. But D16 never pretended there was - don't confuse them with Steven Slate.

D16 Group would like to announce the Repeater. A new Vintage Modelled Delay unit designed and produced in collaboration with Slate Digital LLC. More details about this plug-in, special offers for our customers and more, will be revealed at the day of release. Stay tuned.

Sigmund
High Quality Flexible Delay Unit

That is how they advertise them.

[AudioGuy720]

do you really not see how this case here is very different?

The case is indeed very different now(!!!).

After the recent announcement by D16 Group to "also release, but via keyfile" - it now means two things to me:
a) I'm not valued as Slate Digital customer, because I'm "stupid to go iLok2" (add the LOL to your liking)
b) the D16 version will be cracked within a short while - which brings me back to point a = valued customer

Yes, I just scratched that surface.

I still hope we read it all wrong, but if D16 really all of a sudden goes dongle because of Slate, then discussing this extraordinary step has got nothing to do with the typical anti-Ilok debate, so please stop tarnishing it as such from up therre on your high horse with your Slate-filled dongle up your ass and a smug smile on your face!

This is why don't like your posts, jens. Always arrogant, always focused on yourself and "what you think is right, and how people should do it" (especially if it comes down to copy protection schemes - is there a fee for your club?), always way off the chart. And yes, it DOES always boil down to ani-CP debates (and therefore anti USB key hate).

Look, you get your wish - D16 Group does release this plugin without the need for an iLok2. Once it's out, test it. And if you like it, get it. Case closed, moving on.

But there is also the really, really bad aftertaste with the inevitable hacks, and then those people pulling a nose at the paying customers. Something that you like to constantly overlook. Something that will tick off a lot of users.

But this CP debate doesn't belong in here - we had PLENTY of threads about this topic in recent weeks. You don't like iLok, you think I have one sticking out of my rear end (great commentary btw - I have more than Slate on it, like SoundToys, UVI, Eventide, Eiosis, Line6, etc - does that mean I love to be borked by these other devs/companies as well?). We established that, great, all are happy - moving on.

Instead of barking up Slate Digital's tree like "Y U NO!", I said it before - plenty of fish in the sea.

Alternatives for the Distressor:
- Sknote
- Pensadia

Alternatives for the Delay:
- Soundtoys
- Native Instruments
- D16 (Sigmund)
- Variety of Sound ("OMG! Can't be, because Win only and still 32bit - Bootsie sucks!", right?)
- more in the queue from other devs

Alternatives for the Reverb
- plenty



And also - if people will speak with their wallet and rather go to D16 Group, what will that mean for the collaboration with Slate Digital on the long run? Ever thought about that? I mean, more power for D16 (and later Liquid Sonics). But who was the actual driving force of this collaboration? Who created the majority of the code? Who did the majority of the beta testing? Who will give whom a boost, and who will lose out on income in the long run?

Do we overlook this as well? Sure we do, because "Slate sucks...", am I right?

*sigh* This is the reason why I don't want to debate on KVR anymore... objectivity and weighted in thoughts down the window, pretty much always.




Also - sitting on the high horse is dangerous in battle. You can be dragged down, and you're not as agile compared to being on foot. Just saying...

VERY well stated, CompyFox! I don't debate with idiots unless I'm getting paid so thank you for writing everything for me.

[soulone82]

Yo, the D16 man already said: key file protection for the d16.pl version. Cool!

PHEW!!!

With that I can bow out of this thread.

Adios Slatigos.

[Compyfox]

Pity that all-mighty jens is "gone"... but oh well, effective gate.


People asked for a "quote" of the Facebook Group commentary regarding the Relab LX480 removal (or rather, change of Bundle Plans starting with AES LA 2016). I finally got access to it. Let's focus on what's written there:

OK!! NEW EVERYTHING BUNDLE PLANS FAQ!!!!! READ ME

...

Q: I heard the Everything Bundle used to include the Relab LX480 but no longer does, wuzzup wit dat?
A: We replaced the LX480 with a new reverb collaboration by Slate and Liquidsonics called Verbsuite Classics, which covers much of the ground of the LX480 by offering a model of the same classic reverb unit, plus seven more modeled reverb units.

Q: I am a current Everything Bundle member. Are you taking away my LX480?
A: No, if you stay in the same plan, whether you are a current monthly or annual subscriber, you will not lose the LX480, and you'll still get the new Verbsuite Classics reverb as well.

Q: I'm currently a paused Everything Bundle member. When I unpause, will I have my LX480?
A: Yes.

...

Q: I want to go to the new lower priced plan but I'm worried about old projects with the LX480. Will the new Verbsuite Classics easily replace it?
A: We've been able to replace the LX480 with the Verbsuite on the relevant 480 preset and it's been great, you can't hear a difference.

...

Q: Can I still buy Slate plugins? Will I be able to buy the three new announced plugins?
A: YES! At the new Everything Bundle pricing plans we're not sure it makes sense, but if you want to, the option is there.

The request to "rent-to-own" was also already posted several times throughout various web-boards. Maybe something towards that section will happen in the future. We'll have to wait and see. But this should answer at least some Q's regarding LX480.



Sad to see the LX480 go, but it's no use of rumoring about possible in/out regarding the split of the deals.