The big "I just want to let everybody know I hate iLok because reasons!"-Topic

[xenophobic]

Trust me i avoid those copy protections my problem is developers hiding what their copy protection Is and some the their copy protections are shifty look at the market place ilok/dongle are the main things people are trying to get rid of it's hilarious.

I help out at a music school teaching students about music technology and because of the rent ware we have started telling new musicians to go hardware or suggest non intrusive software i have seen the horrors of begging companies after you have bought a product to let you use it never again.

[mcbpete]

you can't store it in the cloud...

Aren't all the licenses 'in the cloud' and assigned to your user account ?

So in this example 'anbonny' has 214 licenses in the cloud - 1 of which has been activated on a soft-ilok, and the other 6 spread on two hardware iloks...

[JJ_Jettflow]

Lucky you. AIR didn't inform that their plugins are iLok-infected and I always check many times before I buys something.

This is exactly how I ended up with an iLok plug. Had wanted Loom for ages and picked it up in a sale. Plugin Boutique's website said the protection was C/R.

I'd have returned it were it not for the fact that AIR will give you another license if your computer dies, because your license dies with it. Hell, I've read about people losing licenses due to big Windows Updates (i.e. Creators Update, Anniversary Update). We've got the Fall Creators Update coming soon. Each update has seen me frantically deactivate my licenses and manually install before Windows has the chance to do it automatically.

The long and short, software iLok is unfit for purpose. It simply astonishes me that nobody over at iLok noticed software licenses die when Windows updates are applied. They were available for 6 months as preview versions. Did they notice and simply not care? I mean, they certainly don't care about your computer dying - every other C/R plug will reauthorise just fine in these circumstances. Some of my Sonic Charge plugs are up to 5 or 6 reauths.

I have never read or heard of this happening. I have tons of iLok licenses on two different iLok keys (1 and 2) never had a problem.

Talking about software iLok here where your license is stored on the hard drive. You can't back it up, you can't store it in the cloud...

Then a dongle would solve that.

[cron]

you can't store it in the cloud...

Aren't all the licenses 'in the cloud' and assigned to your user account ?

So in this example 'anbonny' has 214 licenses in the cloud - 1 of which has been activated on a soft-ilok, and the other 6 spread on two hardware iloks...

Should have said you can't access it as a 'live' license in the cloud. You can send it back to the cloud if you're switching machines or doing a big service-pack-like Windows Update (meaning you can't use it until you pull it back to your machine), but if it's on your machine when it dies or updates, that's it. Gone.

[cron]

Lucky you. AIR didn't inform that their plugins are iLok-infected and I always check many times before I buys something.

This is exactly how I ended up with an iLok plug. Had wanted Loom for ages and picked it up in a sale. Plugin Boutique's website said the protection was C/R.

I'd have returned it were it not for the fact that AIR will give you another license if your computer dies, because your license dies with it. Hell, I've read about people losing licenses due to big Windows Updates (i.e. Creators Update, Anniversary Update). We've got the Fall Creators Update coming soon. Each update has seen me frantically deactivate my licenses and manually install before Windows has the chance to do it automatically.

The long and short, software iLok is unfit for purpose. It simply astonishes me that nobody over at iLok noticed software licenses die when Windows updates are applied. They were available for 6 months as preview versions. Did they notice and simply not care? I mean, they certainly don't care about your computer dying - every other C/R plug will reauthorise just fine in these circumstances. Some of my Sonic Charge plugs are up to 5 or 6 reauths.

I have never read or heard of this happening. I have tons of iLok licenses on two different iLok keys (1 and 2) never had a problem.

Talking about software iLok here where your license is stored on the hard drive. You can't back it up, you can't store it in the cloud...

Then a dongle would solve that.

Yeah, a $50 dongle plus $30 per year Zero Downtime Guarantee if I definitely want to use the software I've paid for at all times. No thanks.

[JunSev]

Lucky you. AIR didn't inform that their plugins are iLok-infected and I always check many times before I buys something.

This is exactly how I ended up with an iLok plug. Had wanted Loom for ages and picked it up in a sale. Plugin Boutique's website said the protection was C/R.

I'd have returned it were it not for the fact that AIR will give you another license if your computer dies, because your license dies with it. Hell, I've read about people losing licenses due to big Windows Updates (i.e. Creators Update, Anniversary Update). We've got the Fall Creators Update coming soon. Each update has seen me frantically deactivate my licenses and manually install before Windows has the chance to do it automatically.

The long and short, software iLok is unfit for purpose. It simply astonishes me that nobody over at iLok noticed software licenses die when Windows updates are applied. They were available for 6 months as preview versions. Did they notice and simply not care? I mean, they certainly don't care about your computer dying - every other C/R plug will reauthorise just fine in these circumstances. Some of my Sonic Charge plugs are up to 5 or 6 reauths.

I have never read or heard of this happening. I have tons of iLok licenses on two different iLok keys (1 and 2) never had a problem.

Talking about software iLok here where your license is stored on the hard drive. You can't back it up, you can't store it in the cloud...

Then a dongle would solve that.

Yeah, a $50 dongle plus $30 per year Zero Downtime Guarantee if I definitely want to use the software I've paid for at all times. No thanks.

and guess what, this is one of the worst situation ever when you wanna get it back in many cases. when I realized how this Ilok thing works, it just was terrible... it was like bad treatment

[JunSev]

the people has to realize this system cannot continue anymore, for real...

[JJ_Jettflow]

Lucky you. AIR didn't inform that their plugins are iLok-infected and I always check many times before I buys something.

This is exactly how I ended up with an iLok plug. Had wanted Loom for ages and picked it up in a sale. Plugin Boutique's website said the protection was C/R.

I'd have returned it were it not for the fact that AIR will give you another license if your computer dies, because your license dies with it. Hell, I've read about people losing licenses due to big Windows Updates (i.e. Creators Update, Anniversary Update). We've got the Fall Creators Update coming soon. Each update has seen me frantically deactivate my licenses and manually install before Windows has the chance to do it automatically.

The long and short, software iLok is unfit for purpose. It simply astonishes me that nobody over at iLok noticed software licenses die when Windows updates are applied. They were available for 6 months as preview versions. Did they notice and simply not care? I mean, they certainly don't care about your computer dying - every other C/R plug will reauthorise just fine in these circumstances. Some of my Sonic Charge plugs are up to 5 or 6 reauths.

I have never read or heard of this happening. I have tons of iLok licenses on two different iLok keys (1 and 2) never had a problem.

Talking about software iLok here where your license is stored on the hard drive. You can't back it up, you can't store it in the cloud...

Then a dongle would solve that.

Yeah, a $50 dongle plus $30 per year Zero Downtime Guarantee if I definitely want to use the software I've paid for at all times. No thanks.

I got my iLok 2 free with my Slate sub. Been using iLok for 8+ years never bought the Zero Downtime either. Never had a problem.

[chk071]

believe me, with your mentality we going to be slaves in near future, very sad...

BS. The thing is, people like you only see one side of the thing, and that's the customer side. And not even that, because your thinking is just "too short". What if the company, which scratches iLok or eLicenser in favour of, say, a serial key, or a registration file, immediately gets their software cracked, and has a serious loss of income becuase of that. Yeah, right, the company goes out of business, and stops developing plugins completely. Do you think iLok or eLicenser are there for fun, just because companies like to hassle their customers? They either use copy protection schemes like that, because it is more cost efficient than to develop an own copy protections, or, because it's simply safe to do so.

Anyway, my last word, because, seriously, the discussion and the arguments are all the same. And it isn't at all because the people think they can make a change, only to rant, and take influence on other people's decisions. Actually, i find it quite disgusting. If it really was about personal favour, and about "what you can do", then people would just stop buying, or send an email to the companies. Not plaster the internet with their boring, and short-sighted opinion.

[Daimonicon]

Oh no, here we go again. Not another I hate ilok thread. Sigh! I thought we had seen enough of ilok haters thread. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's like I hate some tv shows, new or old. And what do I do? Just turn on something I like and don't waste my precious time complaining. Lifes too short.

[cron]

believe me, with your mentality we going to be slaves in near future, very sad...

BS. The thing is, people like you only see one side of the thing, and that's the customer side. And not even that, because your thinking is just "too short". What if the company, which scratches iLok or eLicenser in favour of, say, a serial key, or a registration file, immediately gets their software cracked, and has a serious loss of income becuase of that. Yeah, right, the company goes out of business, and stops developing plugins completely. Do you think iLok or eLicenser are there for fun, just because companies like to hassle their customers? They either use copy protection schemes like that, because it is more cost efficient than to develop an own copy protections, or, because it's simply safe to do so.

Anyway, my last word, because, seriously, the discussion and the arguments are all the same. And it isn't at all because the people think they can make a change, only to rant, and take influence on other people's decisions. Actually, i find it quite disgusting. If it really was about personal favour, and about "what you can do", then people would just stop buying, or send an email to the companies. Not plaster the internet with their boring, and short-sighted opinion.

Well, iLok has been cracked now, so it's only a matter of time before you've got to buy another $50 dongle when the next protection rolls out.

If you think the best solution to piracy is forcing your legitimate customers to pay $50 plus $30 per year for guaranteed access, good on you. I don't, because we live in a world where companies like Klanghelm are banging out £20 plugs with very modest serial number protection and doing just fine out of it. If you care more about piracy than you do your customers, that's fine, but I'm going nowhere near it.

Fair enough if you're shitting money and can afford that kind of thing. I mean, I use an iLok protected plug via HD authorisation, but the peace of mind that comes with $50 + $30 per year would cost me twice the price of the plug in the first place. And it's not as if dongle users have had a particularly smooth ride anyway. That 2013 blackout was handled just brilliantly, I'm sure you'll agree.

[JunSev]

believe me, with your mentality we going to be slaves in near future, very sad...

BS. The thing is, people like you only see one side of the thing, and that's the customer side. And not even that, because your thinking is just "too short". What if the company, which scratches iLok or eLicenser in favour of, say, a serial key, or a registration file, immediately gets their software cracked, and has a serious loss of income becuase of that. Yeah, right, the company goes out of business, and stops developing plugins completely. Do you think iLok or eLicenser are there for fun, just because companies like to hassle their customers? They either use copy protection schemes like that, because it is more cost efficient than to develop an own copy protections, or, because it's simply safe to do so.

Anyway, my last word, because, seriously, the discussion and the arguments are all the same. And it isn't at all because the people think they can make a change, only to rant, and take influence on other people's decisions. Actually, i find it quite disgusting. If it really was about personal favour, and about "what you can do", then people would just stop buying, or send an email to the companies. Not plaster the internet with their boring, and short-sighted opinion.

no, the problem is that I really understand they have to be payed for they work, from the very beginning I said I really support the the content they do, I also said this system should change and I don't have interest to influence in the decision of anyone.

what part of it didn't you understand?

[xenophobic]

The only thing a coder loses is time i worked a regular 9-5 and coded the only thing i had to buy was the coding environment so don't compare the loss of physical materials to coding its not the same these copy protections are annoying end of story and will eventually be hacked give me a break.

there's no village in digging lines of code out there its some dude in his home or garage in front of his computer stop it.

[JJ_Jettflow]

The best solution would be that no one pirated software in the first place, then devs and customers alike would not have to worry about copy protection.

[JunSev]

because I decided not to purchase anything with Ilok, well is my decision and is just what I think. I don't have liberty of expression? I have to say how I feel.

I don't hate the producers of new and innovative content, I'm against the licenses and procedures that should be change in order to get a better perspective of what they are offering. otherwise we all already know what to do and how everything works...