Reason 11 announced!!!

[antic604]

May I conclude from all of this that the majority of people who use Reason together with another DAW actually prefer the DAW over Reason to combine the VST plugins with Reason devices?

I'd say that's a fair assumption - they want Reason devices, but not necessaily its mixer and sequencer

And would you be able to open Reason 11 (or later) song files in Reason 10? Because if you have made a song in Reason 11 (or later) that combines VST plugins with Reason devices and you want to connect Reason to another DAW (like you could before with ReWire), then what would you do?

My God, it's all really simple - you either like Reason as a whole and use VSTs in Reason. Or you use some other DAW and load Rack VST into it to use Reason devices. Reason 10 won't load Reason 11 songs.

Don't get me wrong, the Reason Rack VST looks great, but I doubt it's a direct replacement of ReWire.

There's nothing to "doubt" - they're saying it outright that 11 won't support ReWire anymore and if you really want to use it then stick to 10.

[Benutzername]

Will the VST also do sampling?

I've looked at the videos again and it seems like Redrum and Grain still have their sampling buttons in the VST. So I'd guess that we can sample from the host.

[republik]

When using the rack plugin, do the reason players still have direct output/sent to track capability? I realize the sequencer isn't there anymore, but other VST's usually export a midi (via drag and drop, for example).

[SLiC]

If they still haven't addressed the tiny, non-scalable UI then I won't upgrade.

This-I can't see it on my monitor so can't use it, doesn't matter what they add or how cheap they make it, I cant see it!!!

[gerk]

Correct! All REs are fully compatible with Reason Rack Plugin, so if you own them they'll work.

Can Reason Rack Plugin host 3rd party VSTs?

Can Reason Rack Plugin be used as a MIDI source, i.e. use QNG or PolyStep Players to drive Serum or Avenger?

What I really wonder about how/if the great midi fx/sequencers/arp, especially the new ones in Reason 10, will work in the rack in another VST. Does midi drag and drop for example will work in another daw ?

Not in the first version, no. And we have no plans for hosting VSTs inside our VST, high inception-warning on that one. Happy to hear you're interested in using Players as MIDI FX in your DAW though, definitely a good idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add Midi out for Reason VST so we can use players with any instrument.

[antic604]

When using the rack plugin, do the reason players still have direct output/sent to track capability? I realize the sequencer isn't there anymore, but other VST's usually export a midi (via drag and drop, for example).

According to reply from Mattias - no.

[Ad0]

Huge bummer that you can't load VSTs inside the Reason VSTs. I got used to including VSTs as a part of my FX chains to achieve a desired effect, now that will not be usable if I go the VST route.

Also, I don't know how it worked with fruity loops VST, but isn't it incredibly clunky (just like it was with ReWire but worse) to add automation, several tracks etc? Will it end up being a reason instance per track with a small FX chain? Like a glorified combinator. Sure hope the Reason VST container isn't bringing any overhead.

[reggie1979]

Meh.

Some nice things, but I couldn't care less about the racks being used in other DAWS. I want the program itself to evolve, not use it in other DAWS

Oh well, I'll miss the cross fading but it's not even worth a demo at this point. No way I'm shelling 129 bucks just for cross fading.

[Tronam]

Meh.

Some nice things, but I couldn't care less about the racks being used in other DAWS. I want the program itself to evolve, not use it in other DAWS

Oh well, I'll miss the cross fading but it's not even worth a demo at this point. No way I'm shelling 129 bucks just for cross fading.

I'm very much looking forward to Reason as a plugin, but I'd like to see more core Reason workflow improvements too. Considering their track record over the past several versions with point release updates, maybe it'll become a more compelling upgrade in the future.

[antic604]

Will it end up being a reason instance per track with a small FX chain? Like a glorified combinator.

How else would it work if it's a VST?

Sure hope the Reason VST container isn't bringing any overhead.

Obviously it will. For example Grain as a VST in say Ableton Live will consume more CPU than Grain in Reason, simply because there's a VST wrapper to "translate" the RE into VST. The question is how much, but there's always overhead.

[Ad0]

How else would it work if it's a VST?

Well who knows, like rewire perhaps where one instance runs, and you have multichannel / multitrack setup to that instance.

Obviously it will. For example Grain as a VST in say Ableton Live will consume more CPU than Grain in Reason, simply because there's a VST wrapper to "translate" the RE into VST. The question is how much, but there's always overhead.

Yeah I meant *noticable* overhead.

[THE INTRANCER]

I knew that Hi-DPI support for Reason's rack would never come in R11, everything is fixed at around 760 pixels. If instruments were blown up to Hi-DPI levels, they would pretty much look awful and be reminiscent of the level of Mincraft blockiness.

As it is, one might as well still use Rewire and use Reason on another screen, because Reason at 1440P which is native to the screen resolution with Studio One 4.5 which supports Hi-DPI, is an exersize in futility....

It wouldm't surprise me if they start releasing scalable VST's of the SSL mixer as separate plugins, in the similar way they did with Europa. At least that would make more practical sense than bringing in a rack as a VST which is still living in the year 2000.

[Forgotten]

Meh.

Some nice things, but I couldn't care less about the racks being used in other DAWS. I want the program itself to evolve, not use it in other DAWS

My thought too. I would rather they had worked on the native interface

[WatchTheGuitar]

I can understand people who love the DAW feeling 11 is a bit meh, but personally it means I'll actually use Reason now. Liked the instruments and effects but hated the sequencer and mixer parts so now they're freed up I'll be diving back in pretty much first time since buying 10.

Maybe the thread needs to exist in the Instruments subforum now as that's what a lot of us will be using it as. Being able to easily plug Bitwig or Live Suite LFOs into everything will be fun.

[softska]

Sell me a controller like Nektar that can control/browse Reason Rack preset in my other DAW I'm ditching all my Komplete Kontrol stuff (just kidding Kontakt please stay)