Ozone Pro - iZotope go subscription

[revvy]

Looking at Barricade v4. Already ARM native too. Wow. Certainly looks like a consideration for a post-Ozone option should it come to that.

Might even pull the trigger anyway, also been on looking for an L2 replacement so might do 2 jobs for me.

[SirkusPi]

As I said way at the start of this thread, Izotope and NI are the only two companies that are now an integral, indispensable (to me) part of my workflow (along with Logic).

And although I’d much prefer to buy fully-licensed, I tend to do most or every annual update of Neutron, Ozone and Nectar anyway, and occasional Rx, so this will likely be generally be cheaper for me overall, general (and genuine) philosophical objection aside.

So if subscription is the only Izotope (or Kontakt or Logic, one day) path, I likely will indeed subscribe, even though I’m beginning to think doing so will make me public enemy #1 around here!

[crickey13]

Looking at Barricade v4. Already ARM native too. Wow. Certainly looks like a consideration for a post-Ozone option should it come to that.

You're not the only person doing that. I will probably just go ahead and buy TB's comp, limiter, eq, enhancer and tape saturation in one fell swoop.

I likely will indeed subscribe, even though I’m beginning to think doing so will make me public enemy #1 around here!

Not really, it's your money and you're not forcing anything on anybody and also, you don't sound like fanboy, so no objection from me whatsoever.

Izotope going subscription is not the only thing about them that rubs me the wrong way, they've done some things in the past I take issue with and it's been long time coming anyway. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

[nightjar]

What might be more palatable would be a tiered subscription plan:

Essential Bundle: $5/month

Standard Bundle: $10/month

Advanced Bundle: $15/month

Pro Bundle: $25/month

Higher tiers would broaden the feature set within each of the bundled apps.. building upon the lower tier.

And the the Pro version is full featured for EVERY product they offer.

All of these being no contract and letting you upgrade or downgrade as desired.

If you downgrade your plan, all previous projects will open and run just fine, but you can't edit anything that requires a higher tier version... And even if you stop your subscription altogether... the plug-ins will run, but not edit/save.

This would let you upgrade to a higher level if desired when you are finishing a project..

The educational content is the same in all tiers.

[carlosigls]

Always saying that subscriptions are one of the wonders of the world, but in the end you pay and pay for nothing.

[Ohlson_M]

In the end, the longevity of these BS subscription models will depend on the behaviour of the consumers. As much as I hate subscription plans (when it’s not rent-to-own), if the companies can get away with it and it improves their cashflow, don’t blame them - blame the customers. If enough people don’t subscribe, this cancerous disease will eventually stop. Simple. Because what you get is a negative cash flow that adds up to very large amounts over time, without owning anything in the end. How is that a good deal?

[ralfrobert]

These subscription plans may be good for studios and the bigger enterprises, because they are recurring, running costs and no investments. They appear in another part of the ledger than things you buy. This is different for bands, musical loners, one-man shows in the sound design business, etc.

The main problem I have is that for differentiating my software portfolio, I have to have more than one sub. This adds up. So I stick to companies like Rob Papen, U-he, Hy-Plugins ... just to name a few. Other software results in another outcome. And I think that if everybody used "NI / iZo" monoculture, this would narrow down the ways of music making and thus the nature of the musical end products. This is purely hypothetical, but I think I have a point. And I cannot afford 10 subs for 20 bucks each.

[crickey13]

These subscription plans may be good for studios and the bigger enterprises, because they are recurring, running costs and no investments. They appear in another part of the ledger than things you buy. This is different for bands, musical loners, one-man shows in the sound design business, etc.

The main problem I have is that for differentiating my software portfolio, I have to have more than one sub. This adds up. So I stick to companies like Rob Papen, U-he, Hy-Plugins ... just to name a few. Other software results in another outcome. And I think that if everybody used "NI / iZo" monoculture, this would narrow down the ways of music making and thus the nature of the musical end products. This is purely hypothetical, but I think I have a point. And I cannot afford 10 subs for 20 bucks each.

Very well said, my thoughts exactly.

[nightjar]

The main problem I have is that for differentiating my software portfolio, I have to have more than one sub. This adds up. So I stick to companies like Rob Papen, U-he, Hy-Plugins ... just to name a few. Other software results in another outcome. And I think that if everybody used "NI / iZo" monoculture, this would narrow down the ways of music making and thus the nature of the musical end products. This is purely hypothetical, but I think I have a point. And I cannot afford 10 subs for 20 bucks each.

Hmmm... these competing subs tend to be no contract structure, so you could have one dominant sub you work in, then pay only for a month with a competing sub to bring that flavor in.

Also... I like your "NI/iZo" abbreviation... and one step future to suggest: NiZo

[ralfrobert]

The main problem I have is that for ...

Hmmm... these competing subs tend to be no contract structure, so you could have one dominant sub you work in, then pay only for a month with a competing sub to bring that flavor in.

Also... I like your "NI/iZo" abbreviation... and one step future to suggest: NiZo

I tend to think of my software as of something like Clapton's guitar collection. Waiting for me in the basement, cared for, being part of my musical identity to some degree. Switch-on switch-off with subs does not suit me.

Nizo, the acronym born from laziness. Autocorrection suggests "Nazi", by the way.

[crickey13]

Goddamn Nizos.

[nightjar]

Nizo, the acronym born from laziness. Autocorrection suggests "Nazi", by the way.

Well that autocorrect kills that suggestion. But that issue aside, nothing lazy about it at all. It would have worked fine.... short, has a nice sound, and made a good reference to its origins.

But.. that as autocorrect reveals... too close.

The place holder(?) name given at Francisco Partners website is "Music Creation Group".... now THAT is lazy.

[Ohlson_M]

These subscription plans may be good for studios and the bigger enterprises, because they are recurring, running costs and no investments. They appear in another part of the ledger than things you buy. This is different for bands, musical loners, one-man shows in the sound design business, etc.

The main problem I have is that for differentiating my software portfolio, I have to have more than one sub. This adds up. So I stick to companies like Rob Papen, U-he, Hy-Plugins ... just to name a few. Other software results in another outcome. And I think that if everybody used "NI / iZo" monoculture, this would narrow down the ways of music making and thus the nature of the musical end products. This is purely hypothetical, but I think I have a point. And I cannot afford 10 subs for 20 bucks each.

Very well said, my thoughts exactly.

...and one would be a fool for paying 200 bucks a month for such a collection of plugins, and not owning anything in the end. I can take that as a one-time charge, for permanent licenses. But imagine paying 2400 bucks every year and not owning anything.

[nightjar]

I tend to think of my software as of something like Clapton's guitar collection. Waiting for me in the basement, cared for, being part of my musical identity to some degree. Switch-on switch-off with subs does not suit me.

Ok...
you can own 8 guitars x $2500 = $20,000
Or...
You can own 3 guitars x $2500 = $7,500
And also have 300 more guitars behind a "glass case" that you can open for month for $25 when you feel the urge.

I understand how you feel for sure.. but the second option certainly has some attraction.

[ralfrobert]

Nizo, the acronym born from laziness. Autocorrection suggests "Nazi", by the way.

Well that autocorrect kills that suggestion. But that issue aside, nothing lazy about it at all. It would have worked fine.... short, has a nice sound, and made a good reference to its origins.

But.. that as autocorrect reveals... too close.

The place holder(?) name given at Francisco Partners website is "Music Creation Group".... now THAT is lazy.

Star Wars: Return of the Nizos ... well, well.

I take all of this with a huge grain of salt, but the question is if it really concerns anybody using a stable kind of setup. If you go for MPS4 now, you can install the versions you find there, use them for some years and then retire them. They are quite stable, have scalable interfaces (the flagship things at least) and do what they say they do. I do not want to have rolling updates, lets say, every week, as this can lead to another bunch of problems.

... Edit ...: I deleted some nonsense I wrote. For the iZotope EULA and what actually worked, see my post below.