Sgt. Pepper vs Dark Side?

[Bombadil]

No.

[melomood]

Yea

[melomood]

It's true they were wildly popular & lauded. It's also true that through the years I rarely listen to anything by them but 2/3 of revolver and a handful of Harrison & Lennon tunes after that

[Bombadil]

I'm not going to argue musical taste with you. You're too young, son.

[melomood]

I started listening to the Beatles in 1970

How old do I have to be?

[zerocrossing]

To me, the Beatles were the best band in the 60's. They defined the decade. Floyd, imo, was the best band in the 70's. That is, of course, my opinion. I have a hard time coming up with a band in the 70's that were as creative and innovative.

That's because you don't have to be a band to be Brian Eno,or Todd Rundgren

Todd has as many crap songs as he has good ones, though. I went back and started a playlist of his good songs and… wow, I had to wade though a lot of sh!t to find the gold.

The same can be said about the beatles,tho

I don’t think so. Paul’s stuff isn’t my favorite, but he’s an expert at crafting a pop song, and obviously his success is confirmation that a lot of people agree.

Anyway, this is a pretty ridiculous thread. The Beatles were mainly pop song writers who drifted into prog and psychedelic, as Pink Floyd was prog/psychedelic rock that got popular. Very different approaches. You might love either, or neither, but you can’t deny that each put out incredibly influential music in their time. Todd’s a different animal… he had a foot in both worlds, and maybe that’s what hurt him. His prog-rock was never as good as King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes or ELP, and his pop was never as good as the Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc. Moments of brilliance, yes, but uneven. Maybe he needed a producer to help focus on his gems. He was silly prolific. That’s for sure.

What I don’t understand is how people can’t discern between good quality and what they personally like. It’s a problem.

[melomood]

Yea Todd Rundgren was all over the place,but did manage some brilliant albums. As for McCartney. I get that he could craft a good pop tune (I also honestly think Pete Ham was better at it) but his solo stuff. You have to wade thru a lot for the occasional gem

[vurt]

As i said earlier, genre wise, rock despite being from blues, never really attracted a huge black audience or lots of black artists, but eg thin lizzy, no one cared so much phil was black.

In the UK, Bob was around so 'nuff said. The black influence there was absolutely Caribbean/Jamaican. For me Bob has to be up there in terms of top 70s influences alongside Bowie who did a lot of his best stuff firmly in the 70s before he went all bleached blond and commercial. Bowie tried a bit of funk and god bless him, even he couldn't make it sexy - nobody can. There was loads of prog shite, but that doesn't really count...wanking on a guitar isn't music, everyone knows that.

yup bob is of course up there, but not rock, per se.
although he and reggae and dancehall stuff did of course influence many rock bands, like the clash



i knew a couple of his great nephews in manchester.
nice people the family though, the mum had some stories, about uncle bob

[mjudge55]

Love em both, formative records for me. But I think it's a bit apples and oranges as so much happened between '67 and '73. A more apt comparison might be Floyd's Piper at the Gates of Dawn recorded just down the hall from the Peppers sessions. Peppers is a beast, but Syd Barrett knocked it out of the park on Piper.

[zerocrossing]

Yea Todd Rundgren was all over the place,but did manage some brilliant albums. As for McCartney. I get that he could craft a good pop tune (I also honestly think Pete Ham was better at it) but his solo stuff. You have to wade thru a lot for the occasional gem

There are few artists that you can’t say that about. I don’t even know what Ham did outside Badfinger, which wasn’t that prolific. Pink Floyd? A lot of garbage to wade though, and even the early stuff has a lot of indulgent meandering that should probably have hit the editing room floor. I was so excited for The Final Cut, after being floored by The Wall… and it sucked. So did Waters’ Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking. Gilmore’s About Face was pretty good… but I’ve never even heard his other stuff. Pink Floyd, IMO, just got crappier and crappier as time went on. Same can be said for all the Beatles. It is the way.

In a somewhat related note, I had the idea that I had somewhere approaching 100 pop songs finished and ready to go. They sat in a box for decades… some had been done in bands, many never got any attention. I finally decided that I wanted to get them down in at least a demo quality. So I started going through the box… O’oh. I’d say that 2/3s of it was totally crappy. Embarrassing. I couldn’t get them in the recycling bin fast enough. I wonder if I had achieved some degree of fame where people were constantly blowing smoke up my ass, would I ignore them if they said that stuff was great? I think a problem for any successful artist is that it’s easy to get to a point where you can no longer be subjective about your own work.

So, yeah, I made a joke about Floyd’s pretentiousness, but the truth is, a lot of their early and later stuff is super pretentious and/or indulgent. A lot of it, is genius. They can’t all be gems.

[vurt]

prince, was mostly awesome!

[zerocrossing]

I started listening to the Beatles in 1970

How old do I have to be?

I was nicknamed “Ringo” at birth in ‘65, due to my luxurious head of hair. I think my first Beatles experience was the cartoon and I also remember singing Lucy In The Sky in second grade, which in hindsight was pretty crazy. (Yes, despite Lennon’s b.s. protest, it is about LSD)

It all was sort of background until the Red and Blue albums came out. Got To Get You Into My Life charted and I remember hearing in in the car and liking it. Nothing really moved me until I heard Magical Mystery Tour. A friend loaned me the 8 track. I was probably 13 by then. The song that floored me was I Am The Walrus. I ran to a music store and bought a book and started teaching myself guitar.

[zerocrossing]

prince, was mostly awesome!

Oh please. While he has a ton of stuff, only half of it is great. It seems like more because he was so prolific, but most of his later stuff is a snooze.

[vurt]

prince, was mostly awesome!

Oh please. While he has a ton of stuff, only half of it is great. It seems like more because he was so prolific, but most of his later stuff is a snooze.

get off!!!!

you just lost your official hat.

[donkey tugger]

prince, was mostly awesome!

Slayer were f**king excellent, by dint of playing the same 2 things over and over again; the slow one with the riff, and the fast one.

It's a winning formula.