Have we now reached "peak plug in"

[Uncle E]

I remember a time when we really did wish for reverb plugins!

[ghettosynth]

I just hope that 2024 is the Year of the Saturator.

I hope someone finally releases a reverb plugin.

That doesn't suck.

[Gavincoolguy]

End game is one of the major conglomerates releasing a DAW with all of their plugins built in for a suite price and low monthly subscription. Something like an Arturia and UAD in the same DAW all as a package would be a behemoth. I don't know anything about LUNA but I suspect that may be what UAD is up to.

[_leras]

I couldn't make such a sweeping statement, but in my tiny subset of the "public" it does seem that most people are now into playlists. Only a small subset of that subset (mostly older friends) actually Listen to music and care who made it.

People are curating the playlists...

[_leras]

End game is one of the major conglomerates releasing a DAW with all of their plugins built in for a suite price and low monthly subscription. Something like an Arturia and UAD in the same DAW all as a package would be a behemoth. I don't know anything about LUNA but I suspect that may be what UAD is up to.

Luna seems more like a mixing and/or potential live music mixing console replacement.

It won't catch up with Bitwig/Cubase/Live as a DAW anytime soon...

[DCrown]

We don't know exactly what will be and how it will be, but it's a fact that especially regarding technology the past 30 years changed a very lot, and innovation is like a high speed car and there will be innovations we can't even imagine now.
I am pretty sure that we will have one day long distance communication by simple transfering and reading or hearing thoughts, but as sensational as it sounds, it's something I can imagine, so there are way more "sensational" things to come!

If you asked someone in 1985 if he thinks that music albums are gone in 30 years in future "why should there be no albums any more, albums are one of the greatest things! "
Next question in 1950, can you imagine that most people would stare at a small screen most of the day, even when walking?

In 1955, can you imagine that some people could and would sleep around with a minimal risk of pregnancy?

Internet, smartphone, daw, social media, kvr etc

The biggest skills humans have is to destroy, don't want to list all wars, terrorist attacks of the past 20 years (too many!), and the traditional "soul" of music has continually been destroyed for the past 25 years and imo will completely been replaced by something we can't imagine. I know there's STILL good music by real musicians with real intruments, still! Young generations will be or are attracted by new technology and innovations and trends, though. And whoever thinks we are social beings and music is something essential (like food and water?!) , well, today's trends go different directions, another examples are relationships, there will be more and more singles. The biggest love and attraction is the small screen today. Things, traditions, habits, technology change, quite often drastically!

Do I care? Well, I won't be alive any more, so I don't really care.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

It’s because all plugins, all music, and all musicians—the the extent that there still are any—will be rendered obsolete by AI before this time next year.

Let's comeback to this complete rubbish next year.

Music is a process of development and human joy. The process is often more important than the result. But the result is what the enriches the process over and over and over again.

This is it.....weather it be playing banjo on the front porch for two dogs or producing music on a laptop that goes on to generate an income......it is the joy of playing/creating that is the real payoff. Not weather someone else buys, approves or even hears what you did.

A real piano is tactile where as using a tracker on a sample library is not.....however the joy may be the same for each....WIN!!!!

[Synthman2000]

Most people are making music because of what a wonderful experience it is to convey something beyond what words alone can express. Because it is a magical feeling to create, to enjoy, to express.

Most people aren't making music. Maybe you missed my point. It's not the musicians who will be using AI to make music (at least not the real musicians.)

But AI will make musicians themselves obsolete. Just another trade lost to automation.

Don't think that AI is stuck at the level it is at now. It's not. It's growth is already beyond exponential. Just in the past year it has bridged the uncanny valley. And now there is Q*. This is not merely artificial intelligence at this point, but potentially approaching artificial consciousness. Once AI starts writing and optimizing AI (which it may already be doing), it will have reached singularity.

So where's the amazing results that are putting everyone out of work ?

As I said it will have the impact you will want it to have.

So for example I have made a strict decision that no AI will be involved in any of my creative pursuits of any kind, music, writing, thinking etc. There will be no AI melodies or chord structures in any music I produce.

The reason is simplicity itself, it takes away from my endeavor and my value.

By definition it is not me, so it is not my creativity so it has less than no value, it no only does not have value it's fake, it's worth less than no-thing. (because with no-thing you are not pretending, it is you using AI in music that will devalue you !) When you think about it, you know... fakery.... it may well have a bright future in this online social media internet pumped up, hyped up, world of pure digital filtered BS. (joke)

In short order we will be looking down at "AI creativity" you will be put into a specific camp of artists. It's already happening. Opinions and decisions are formulated as fast as AI develops too.

People would do well to wise up FAST and not make the mistake that being a fake with being devious, cool, on the cutting edge, advanced, intelligent, smug, having one over on others.

Anything I see that is AI that I am not interested in will be ignored. I will allow it only the power I personally determine it to have. As I have said what is out of my control is not worth considering, like terrorists getting/hacking it and threatening to blow the world up etc.

[Synthman2000]

Most people are making music because of what a wonderful experience it is to convey something beyond what words alone can express. Because it is a magical feeling to create, to enjoy, to express.

Most people aren't making music. Maybe you missed my point. It's not the musicians who will be using AI to make music (at least not the real musicians.)

But AI will make musicians themselves obsolete. Just another trade lost to automation.

Don't think that AI is stuck at the level it is at now. It's not. It's growth is already beyond exponential. Just in the past year it has bridged the uncanny valley. And now there is Q*. This is not merely artificial intelligence at this point, but potentially approaching artificial consciousness. Once AI starts writing and optimizing AI (which it may already be doing), it will have reached singularity.

I honestly don't understand your posts. We are on a music forum and most people are not making music ?

Musicians who play music as in a band, live musicians - the quartet, the upright bass player, the pianist and guitarist are NOT going to be put out of work. Almost everyone LOVES musicians ! You are simply wrong.

And those who are making music peace meal will not have their enjoyable DAW based process devalued by AI. Good versions of this music also has high value, even pure quantized electronic music can have great depth, feel, groove, soundscape, melody, progress etc.

Music is human.

AI music is just fake.

If you want to consume junk go consume junk.

What's it going to be.....High arts, or low farts ?

It's time to up the ante. There is simply no way that AI is going to tell a story that music does of human experience it's just copying, regurgitation, replication.

How do we currently look at fakery in society, we view it as a low bar. Fake handbags, fake sunglasses, fake eggs, fake viagra, (yes there is a thing as fake eggs believe it or not, that's pretty low for humanity to go.)

https://www.myrecipes.com/extracrispy/f ... m-in-india

Imagine giving it swag, the big un, givin it large, down the bar with your new Rolex and gold chains and someone finds your Rolex is fake, your chain is plated brass, you will go home feeling like a fool.

Why does AI suddenly get a pass ?

[Dirtgrain]

[Synthman2000]

I believe we have reached 'peak synth' and now 'peak plug in' you can probably get 4-7 versions of any classic gear and at least one very good version of pretty much anything you can think of.

This is the phenomena known as "doomsday narcissism." You want to be at the end of the story. It makes you feel special. We are not at the end of the story, and we are not special. Your experience has closed you off to the possibilities of what synthesis can be. It can be more, and it will.

I don't want anything, that's the point. The end of the story is the end of my life.

'Doomsday narcissism' as you term it has never been heard of here, that's a box someone made that you have accepted as a thing.

We all have an end of the story and it is nothing to do with want.

I could spend 40 years discovering new things with my existing synths at the rate I can currently use them. New synthesis will not make better music.

My advice is make something stunning with the synths you have now.

[jamcat]

I honestly don't understand your posts. We are on a music forum and most people are not making music ?

Yeah, it seems you don’t.
I’m talking about most people in the world, not most people on KVR.

Sooner or later there will be AI-powered music streaming services from the likes of Google that create music on the fly, tailored to the customer’s taste, based either on their requests or their data profile. The service won’t have to pay royalties to anyone for it, which is a huge incentive right there.

Advertisers will use AI to write jingles. Filmmakers will use AI to create film scores. Why pay Hans Zimmer millions of dollars to write hours of program music, then pay out another million to hire an orchestra and record them at Abbey Road, when you can have AI generate it for free? Especially when the audience won’t notice or care.

Musicians will continue to create music of course. I’m not disputing that. Your friends and family will still be able to hear your latest ambient techno soundscape on Bandcamp. But commercial opportunities for musicians will all but disappear.

[oscillateur]

...a concatenative synthesis instrument using semantic ontology audio characteristic metatagging and solve inverse problems with dynamic audio trait targets updatable in realtime

Where do I buy now?

https://forum.ircam.fr/topics/detail/32 ... synthesis/

IRCAM used to have some amazing VSTs which they, as they typically do, overpriced by about 15x and then I don't know what happened to them. Futuristic things which there was no host or controller that could possibly utilize what was under the hood, which obviously isn't their fault. We don't even have good terminology hashed out yet for some things people have tried or are thinking about so I shall not explaterate all over this post with nonsense words aside from saying it's a damned shame they didn't just open source it so future folks could build upon it. Not that the DSP concepts necessarily originated with them but they did at least implement working plugins.

Amazing, thanks for sharing that. It's just shocking every single time when learning about such underdogs for the first time (especially after many years). All because they didn't have a hefty advertising budget...

[DCrown]

AI can't be and won't be stopped any more, I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
Have found the video AI Freddie Mercury singing Thriller

[ahuman]

Most people are making music because of what a wonderful experience it is to convey something beyond what words alone can express. Because it is a magical feeling to create, to enjoy, to express.

Most people aren't making music. Maybe you missed my point. It's not the musicians who will be using AI to make music (at least not the real musicians.)

But AI will make musicians themselves obsolete. Just another trade lost to automation.

As long as there is value in making art for the artist himself, the musician will never get obsolete.