why they love to hate logic

[egbert]

...Apparently your school knows something you don't!... The bank I used to work for had a support staff of 15 people to keep the 50 PCs and servers running... We had one person to keep 25 Macs, 2 servers and 4 printers running... Me! ...ignorant twat indeed!

I will try to explain this in words you will understand - words of one syllable:

The school is there to help teach the kids stuff - not to make life easy for the staff. If kids have 90+% PCs and the school has only Macs - with no tools to even load Joliet files from a CD - this is a mess.

Now do you get it?

Eg

[vurt]

something to do with vulcans is it?

[machinesworking]

explain understand syllable:

easy 90+% PCs only even Joliet CD

These are all at least two syllable words. You LOSE!!!

[egbert]

explain understand syllable:

easy 90+% PCs only even Joliet CD

These are all at least two syllable words. You LOSE!!!

Explain, Understand and Syllable weren't in the explanation - they were in the preamble. Joliet cannot easily be boiled down to "Mac size" words and in any case it was in a parenthetical inclusion

(Sorry if your brain just exploded)

You see that's where this all gets started.

In the beginning was the word. "Mac" is one word, just one syllable - the one true word to some.

"PC" is not even a word - just initials. And they stand for Personal Computer: Six syllables - way too complicated.

So the world naturally divides on this fault line - the verbally adept go one way and the sort of person who is more comfortable with visual or aural material goes the other. Every so often the two sides go into the trenches and fire mortars at each other. On Christmas day they come out into no mans land and kick a tin can around together. So it goes.



(apologies to Kurt Vonegut)

[bugs]

Macs: very good, very expensive. Cult following--the Fuhrer would be proud. Processor made by IBM. All the other hardware made by someone else too. MacOS much better than Win95. Terrific industrial design team--by far the best part of the Apple operation. Kept afloat by the iPod and investments from Microsoft. When your using a Mac, it's like arriving at the gig in a limo.

vs.

WinPC: very good also, not so pretty--sort of a cheap date. No cult, too many users--mostly musicians who could care less what platform they're using as long as it works. It's like arriving at the gig in a Chevy.

My guess is that the occupant of the limo or the Chevy is what's important.

[Sascha Franck]

I often go to gigs by bike.
Does that make me an Amiga user?

[DHR53]

I guess you could call artists sort of a cult...

[jmh]

I said: Logic on a G5 is an awesome DAW platform! ...you said: something about wanking!

P.S. my site is viewable on PC or Mac in Mozilla... Not a Mac standard!
http://homepage.mac.com/dhrooser/Menu7.html

That's not what you said. You've said a lot and most of it was somehow detached from the reality most of us live in and seem to share.

As for the website, I just checked it again. On Firefox, none of the images show, only a small slideshow viewer appears. A cheap pun that backfired on itself, as it works on IE and Opera

Anyways. Your postings so far have been nothing else but trolling "backed up" by some personal beliefs (which don't turn things into facts, you know?), your admittedly good design works (which are totally irrelevant, in case I didn't make it clear enough already), comments based on nothing but attitude (problems?), estimations (based on what exactly?-), generalisations and so on...

Somehow this quote practically sums up your stance on this silly PC vs. Mac situation you seem to like raising even though you somehow assume you're simply talking about Logic 7 plus G5 being a nice combination:

The idea that the Mac is the "Pro" choice has the obvious historical origins and persists largely because ignorant twats like to imagine themselves to be members of an elite.

That's the attitude I'm getting from your comments throughout your postings in the thread. Kudos to the one who put it to words.

There's more substance in that sentence than what I can find in all your posts combined. Not only that, it's based on reality and excluding the extreme view on the Mac advocates indicated in it, I agree with the sentiments expressed in it.

I must have been bitten by an insect carrying the dreaded harassafanatictroll virus

Regards,

JMH

[tetraplan]

As for the website, I just checked it again. On Firefox, none of the images show, only a small slideshow viewer appears. A cheap pun that backfired on itself, as it works on IE and Opera

Works over here.

Groet, Erik

[bugs]

I often go to gigs by bike.
Does that make me an Amiga user?

Actually, a Vespa user, which for my money is the best bang for the buck in the warmer climes.

[meister eder]

They all do some things well and some things less well and it's really a matter of choosing the tool that supports the way you like to work. Something as simple as:

* live 4
pros - simple & intuitive, great for sketching ideas
cons - primitive midi features and linear sequencing is crude compared to others

What's so crude about Live4's linear sequencing? I love to arrange in Live4, it's quick and easy and - most of all - fun!

They all do some things well and some things less well and it's really a matter of choosing the tool that supports the way you like to work. Something as simple as:

* logic
pros - sophisticated midi and compositional tools, good suite of plugins
cons - complicated, mac-only, lags in other areas like pdc

Complicated? Not if you set it up in the right way for your specific style of working - that's what Logic's flexibility is all about.

[kuniklo]

What's so crude about Live4's linear sequencing? I love to arrange in Live4, it's quick and easy and - most of all - fun!

I think Live's linear sequencer is pretty functional but it's missing a lot of things. For instance, markers, key-command navigation, folders or folder tracks, grouping, etc. I'm not advocating adding these things to Live. I think its simplicity is one of its biggest strengths. I do miss some of these features though.

Complicated? Not if you set it up in the right way for your specific style of working - that's what Logic's flexibility is all about.

I'm still not familiar enough with Logic to really make this call myself yet. It does seem more complex at first blush but also more flexible and I'm willing to put up with increased complexity if it brings a lot of flexibility. Anyway, I listed this mainly because it's a complaint typically made of Logic more than a personal experience of mine.

It's too bad these threads always degenerate into pissing contests. I do think there are a lot of interesting distinctions to make among the hosts and I'm interested to hear more about how people work with each of them but it just doesn't seem possible to have a rational discussion on the subject.

[DHR53]

Kuniklo, If you want to discuss Logic... You'd have to use a Mac, which among other things would mean you love Steve Jobs, are a clueless wanker, take it up the Gary Glitter, and are generally uniformed as to what the majority of computer users in the world really needs... A good cheap PC!

[Chickenman]

This is just pathetic!

We all know it doesn't really matter what the tools are it's the person using them, so why this constant arguing! Most hosts can do anything you need these days so if it works for you cool. It is good to hear about the differences though and if "some people" didn't get so defensive and "some other people" weren't such ignorant pricks I wouldn't have felt the urge to type all this and could be playing my guitar instead.

I personally don't like logic or cubase at all, what works for me is Nuendo, you could certainly re-create all the stuff I do in either host and be just as happy though.

I do think the platform choice of logic was a silly move but thats only because of the obvious attempt to exclude people... exclusivity doesn't mean something is better Look at those Ferrari's... utter shit


Peace,

Toby.

[valley]

Both Mac guys busted their asses doing work throughout the whole time. Working extra hours was normal. Me, did max 5 hours per week any PC support, so I had to do Mac support and other menial jobs as well.

Yeah funny you should say that. I was just doing the math on 15 people working eight hour days taking care of just 50 PCs ands a few servers. Unless the defintion of few is actually 10 or more high bandwidth system critical servers that by themselves require 24hour coverage from a dedicated team of admin staff, the alternative is that it takes each man a full days work just to keep 3-4 PCs running for 24 hours at a time.

Or to put it another way, either the 50 PCs were a red herring 'cos they only took a few hours out of some busy server admin's week, or that whole admin team deserves to be fired at the very first opportunity.