Are AI-Generated Songs Ethical? Let's Talk About It.

[ghettosynth]

& you will never see an AI performing on a scene & beloved by fans for the crowd exchange.

I wouldn’t count on that for more than the next 30-40 yrs probably. There are robots in Japan with fan bases already. Maybe not singers yet,
but it will happen, just like in the movies.

They are left over from a different world where it was niche and interesting. In a world where every piece of marketing uses AI it's not interesting nor niche(maybe some vaporwave types can make it into something).

Perhaps. AI made it into South Park. That's all that I'm saying.

[ShiftedSound]

Do you think AI-generated songs are truly original?
Yes, they can be, taking bits of other music as inspiration and creating new output.

Is it cheating… or just a new kind of artistry?
New kind of artistry, that will take some time to adopt, for now it's very judged, but eventually it will be used more and more, just like AI is being used more in more in other creative fields (Visual art, game dev, movie production, etc.)

How should credit and ownership work when using tools like Claude or Suno?
Imo, credit should go to the user who made it using the tool (a lot of people will disagree on this), but then we also have to think and re-think copyrights, would people be able to re-use the track commercially, etc.

Could this technology help or hurt real musicians?
It will affect jobs (stock music, eventually trailer music and film score too) and at the same time musicians will also use it to aid their process as a tool.

Have you made music using AI? What was your experience?
Yes, plenty of tracks using Udio, tried Suno a little too. Once you put in good prompts and work around the current limitations it can produce great results and the kind of songs that people already listen to. If you don't tell them it's AI, at least the average listener won't be able to tell a well prompted and made song, and will enjoy it regardless. It's just a matter of time until more and more fully AI made tracks make it into streaming platforms, youtube, soundcloud, etc.

[Bunny_boy]

Do you think AI-generated songs are truly original?
Yes, they can be, taking bits of other music as inspiration and creating new output.

Can AI be inspired though? It's just a computer program. It's not sentient

[koalaboy]

Do you think AI-generated songs are truly original?
Yes, they can be, taking bits of other music as inspiration and creating new output.

Can AI be inspired though? It's just a computer program. It's not sentient

It depends on how you view inspiration. If it's the act of emotion or drive to create something, whether based upon other work or not, then No. AI can not be inspired.

If it's the act of building upon something existing, being given a brief or thought, then probably, although there is no emotion within it, but purely probabilistic outcomes, which are perhaps very similar to 'inspired' works, but not the same thing.

As you mention, AI *is not* sentient. However, it does have a perception of its own, in a different way, and therefore it's difficult to say quite how it may realise some concepts except for being 'different' to humans, but perhaps with similar outcomes.

EDIT: For example, reasoning models will 'decide' that something isn't correct or what was asked for, and then try different approaches that a search presented. That could be seen as inspiration by some definition.

[Zombie Queen]

Can AI be inspired though? It's just a computer program. It's not sentient

It needs an inspiration to work at all. It's called a prompt. Initial spark has to come from a human... thus far.

[koalaboy]

Can AI be inspired though? It's just a computer program. It's not sentient

It needs an inspiration to work at all. It's called a prompt. Initial spark has to come from a human... thus far.

Inspiration doesn't have to be an initiator though - many humans will start on some path or direction and then be 'inspired'.

A prompt is not necessarily inspiration - my boss asks me to do things that are not inspiring at all.

[Zombie Queen]

Inspiration doesn't have to be an initiator though

In AI context I think it does. It's not an organism, it's a map. You need to tap it to get results. Humans have a whole body of input points, AI only has prompt.

[koalaboy]

Inspiration doesn't have to be an initiator though

In AI context I think it does. It's not an organism, it's a map. You need to tap it to get results. Humans have a whole body of input points, AI only has prompt.

Unless you run them in an endless loop... and they can search or intercommunicate to evolve prompts.

[Zombie Queen]

Now that I look at it, I think the thread title is biased, that is it's a question containing the answer. The way I see it, AI doesn't generate anything. You do. Using AI model as a tool.

[Zombie Queen]

they can search or intercommunicate to evolve prompts.

Search where? Intercommunicate with what? Who are 'they'?

[koalaboy]

they can search or intercommunicate to evolve prompts.

Search where? Intercommunicate with what? Who are 'they'?

Search the web, and communicate with other AI. This is what happens now. You are not talking (in general) to a single process with a weighted model any more. That was *months* ago.

[Zombie Queen]

Search the web, and communicate with other AI.

I don't know, it doesn't sound like a fundamental change of mechanics to me. I think synthetic learning was a bigger deal. But still, it only exists to service your prompt.

[koalaboy]

Search the web, and communicate with other AI.

I don't know, it doesn't sound like a fundamental change of mechanics to me. I think synthetic learning was a bigger deal. But still, it only exists to service your prompt.

What do most humans exist to do ?

[Zombie Queen]

Plastic.

[eassae]

This talks about AI about half way through in general and in relation to music. An overall interesting take IMO.