Cubas vs FL Studio

[TVD]

Using Cubase increases your talent 20-40%.

CORRECTION: Using Cubuse increases your difficult workflow!

And unless the workflow is smooth like FL Studio, Cubase ain't shit!!!

[the_nihilist]

Using Cubase increases your talent 20-40%.

CORRECTION: Using Cubuse increases your difficult workflow!

And unless the workflow is smooth like FL Studio, Cubase ain't shit!!!

To be honest, once you wrap your head around the cubase workflow, and learn to use the keyboard commands, it moves much smoother than FL.

[tERMoBLUe]

funny thread - apple against pear ...ponders transferred in this ...cya

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[Jaeson Merrill]

All I really care about is how things mix and set with each other.

Just try comparing protools to (I'll bow out of the name s because it's not polite) and see what happens.

I'm sorry I can hear it clearly.

Anyways.....I'm outee.......I wish there was a way to get people to stop saying ITS A VOLUME THING but I can't so........cool.....mo power to ya........

you hear it so it's there? Bullocks

how most arguments are at kvr

1.opinion

2.conflicting opinion

3.no facts given

4.end.

[peejunk]

how most arguments are at kvr

1.opinion

2.conflicting opinion

3.no facts given

4.end.

Bollocks!

[Jaeson Merrill]

..exactly!

[funkadil]

That was hilarious. The phenomenon happened within the explaination.

[snooky]

who needs facts anyways?

[The Chase]

..apparently these two programs are good enough against each other to spark this heated sort of debate. I've read so many forums that have had this argument before. My take is that both have their strengths and weakneses, but either one only gives you an environment to work in...quite literally a room which you fill with your own sounds.

Now, as far the REAL "better than thou" argument is concerned, what I would like to know is this: If you took a single synth, say Absynth, and used the same presets in either program, is one of them going to sound better than the other? And if so, how is it better and why? Is one program rendering to wav better than the other, or providing more depth with the same reverb plugin or giving a wider stereo or a richer, thicker chorus with the same plugin, and IS THIS OCCURENCE CONSTANT?...Those are the questions I think would really define a "better" program; their ability to crunch numbers. But, if you can use the same instrument and get the same quality sound from both applications, then everything else is moot. The rest would just be personal preferences; based on everything from the technicalities of workflow all the way down to something as petty as cosmetics.

....so would someone familiar with both applications please be kind and patient enough to, using the same instruments, samples and presets, produce the same short little something in Cubase and FL Studio and post it for us to hear. Maybe some tests, like ani-aliasing could be done. Let everyone judge the difference if there is any, and decide what is "better", and how so. There would quite likely be some minor differnces, but would it mean that you were able to achieve specific effects, or combinations in one application that you couldn't in the other?

My feeling is that creativity lies with the writer. Don't blame your tools - if you can't sound good in one program, using the same instruments, I really doubt it will sound better in the other application.

There is NO difference in sound between the two programs if you use the same plugins and bit/samplerate. PERIOD. None. Zero. This isn't even an issue.

Honestly, I still don't know why there is that "FL Sound". Its just something that I can tell almost instantly about a song -- this piece was made in FL Studio. I have a few theories about this:

1) The FL Playlist subconciously lulls you into using small patterns for everything, and repeating them. This results in a song that is built up from repeating, identical pieces.

2) Having the volume and panning controls in the mixer subconciously makes you just set volume and panning as static parameters. Also, its a bit annoying to try and make smooth volume changes over a few bars, so things are generally left without much changes in volume or balance.

3) "People will probably bitch about presets if I use them on the synths, but they can't possibly notice that I'm using the Cathedral setting on the FL Verb."

4) FL's piano roll and playlist will make you quantize EVERYTHING. Even if you're playing is really close to being in time, it gives you an unnatural urge to quantize that cannot be resisted.

Thats my best guess to why we have the whole "FL Sound" argument, based on my experiences with FL.

As a FLStudio user, I disagree with all of those. No one has ever told me my music sounds like it was made in FL

[The Chase]

TBH I think the biggest problem and why so many people bash FL is the price. I think the bashers saw the price wrote it off as being junk. As it is clear that it is not junk,those people have to keep defending to themselves why they paid much more. I think that probably 75% of the attacks on FL is because of just this...they're mad at themselves for not going with it.

EXACTLY! I often find the same thing in hardware owners...

[Jaeson Merrill]

That was hilarious. The phenomenon happened within the explaination.

point made then

[TVD]

Using Cubase increases your talent 20-40%.

CORRECTION: Using Cubuse increases your difficult workflow!

And unless the workflow is smooth like FL Studio, Cubase ain't shit!!!

To be honest, once you wrap your head around the cubase workflow, and learn to use the keyboard commands, it moves much smoother than FL.

....except that it's way more comfortable (IMHO) to use soft studios to make some fast tracks than to spend too much time trying to master a soft sequencer's learning curve.

BTW, only Logic is more conplex than Cubase SX (IMO). But that's another story.

[hello1234]

Using Cubase increases your talent 20-40%.

DOH! another one.........shea............I'll never forgive you (well, it was nuendo not cubase.......)

[DavenH]

..apparently these two programs are good enough against each other to spark this heated sort of debate. I've read so many for...f you can't sound good in one program, using the same instruments, I really doubt it will sound better in the other application.

Honestly, I still don't know why there is that "FL Sound". I...

As a FLStudio user, I disagree with all of those. No one has ever told me my music sounds like it was made in FL

Likewise. I'd say more that people are generally surprised that what I play for them was done in FL... The program that they've already pirated and couldn't figure out quickly enough to accomplish anything with

[ouroboros]

I'll offer my opinion
I spent 149$ on FL Studio. I get lifetime free updates, and I have been able to do everything I've wanted to do easily. I don't know if it is better than Cubase, but I am so genuinely pleased with the purchase that I don't ever wonder. I tend to obsess and over evaluate every purchase, but I have never once regretted FL Studio. I am a FL fanboy, not because I think it is better than everythings else: I really don't know - but it works so well I don't have any concerns or yearnings for another host. And, almost like a money back guarantee- if you buy it and decide you like Cubase better, you can use it as a vst inside Cubase I'm sure cubase is similarly amazing. Both have troublespots with work-arounds. I get genuinely happy when I think about this purchase; feeling like I got an incredible value for the money, and a tool with endless possibilities.