SX / Nuendo Performance Loss - A Myth ?

[cptgone]

the audio-editor (for example) still is like it was in the late 50´s.

[KHC]

I wonder where (in the either EULA or user guides for a DAW application) it states to defend one’s chosen DAW and slate its competitors? ...

SOFTWARE LICENSING CONTRACT

The following information represents the contractual conditions for the use of software, manufactured by Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH (hereinafter called Steinberg) by you, the final user (hereinafter called the Licensee).

By installing the software on your computer, or by sending back the registration card, you are declaring yourself to be in agreement with the contractual conditions, so please read the following text carefully.
...
CONTRACTUAL CONDITIONS
...
9. Licensee promotional and anti-piracy obligations

The Licensee agrees to use any public venue to declare -- and defend -- the superiority of Steinberg products to those of any competing product. He must ensure that any claims of superiority of competing products are met with ridicule, derision, and contempt.

He also must make every attempt possible to disrupt the piracy of Steinberg products: by any means necessary.

The licensee is also entitled to harass Bas for any spelling or grammatical errors in his posts.

Sorry Bas, I couldn't resist. I hope that this makes you laugh.

Cheers,

George

[stag]

I just wonder where in the EULA or user guides for a DAW application, that it says that to defend ones chosen DAW, one has to slate all competition.

Logic may be a fine application, and might even have the odd useful tool, but I saw nothing in my Steinberg documentation saying that I must slate logic at every available opportunity.

Do Emapple have such instructions with their software?

[Bas]

SOFTWARE LICENSING CONTRACT

.

The licensee is also entitled to harass Bas for any spelling or grammatical errors in his posts.

Sorry Bas, I couldn't resist. I hope that this makes you laugh.

Cheers,

George

LOL

[kritikon]

I just wonder where in the EULA or user guides for a DAW application, that it says that to defend ones chosen DAW, one has to slate all competition.

Logic may be a fine application, and might even have the odd useful tool, but I saw nothing in my Steinberg documentation saying that I must slate logic at every available opportunity.

Do Emapple have such instructions with their software?

Good point.

I never understand why Logic users feel they have to slag off Cubase - and always have done. It just smacks to me of an inferiority complex - and if they've got the complex, it must be because of real reasons? Most Cubase users don't feel compelled to slag off Logic - we just get on with using it and feeling smug about it.

But for the record....Logic is a pile of steaming cowpoo. Always has been and always will be. Only intellectually handicapped guinea pigs use it. The only pros I've seen use it are the ones that use it because nobody else can make sense of it when they see it over their shoulder - hiding the fact that they haven't actually got any talent. Logic is also a shorter name - which speaks volumes. It's a well-known fact that Logic users can't say more than 2 syllables without a deep breath. Logic starts with a "L" ... so does Lame. It ends with a "C" ...so does Crap and c**t. And c**ting pile of crap. Lame c**ting pile of crap even.....







I've wanted to say that for years.

[ericj23]

sorry about reserrecting this old thing but i noticed a little difference in the post from the mods on the steinberg website

it now includes this

"No realtime processing operations in our applications are contained within the code that interfaces with the USB Key, and no realtime processing such as playback or recording is affected by our copy protection system. Fact: the USB key has no measurable effect on CPU performance.

The next version of Cubase SX/SL and Nuendo, namely 3.1, is currently in testing, and is planned for release in August 2005. With many new features and smaller enhancements, the new update will not work with the illegal “dongle emulation” software that is being distributed on the internet. This and further maintenance updates containing fixes and new features will not be useable running these illegal versions."

so steinberg are doing there own defending now

[Guckli]

No realtime processing operations in our applications are contained within the code that interfaces with the USB Key, and no realtime processing such as playback or recording is affected by our copy protection system. Fact: the USB key has no measurable effect on CPU performance.

Never mind that the USB(2) interface itself is quite cpu hungry (which is why I'm a die-hard firewire proponent). I guess they really want to tell us that they wrote the cp code to only kick in when doing offline stuff like opening new windows, loading plugs, making tracks etc. Would be enough anyway.

The next version of Cubase SX/SL and Nuendo, namely 3.1, is currently in testing, and is planned for release in August 2005. With many new features and smaller enhancements, the new update will not work with the illegal “dongle emulation” software that is being distributed on the internet. This and further maintenance updates containing fixes and new features will not be useable running these illegal versions.

Of course not, I'm sure there are some xor checks or similar at work here, and a new binary will defeat that without Steinberg/Syncrosoft having to do more than a new compile and a new cp layer. But the same goes for the crackers; even if S&S loads a new executable on the USB key with the next update (I don't know if that is possible, I have no idea how exactly the key works, just deducting here), the cat is still out of the bag, unless they send you a new key with another scheme.

Not that it really matters anyhow, I'm not convinced that production software piracy is doing much more than giving bragging rights to crackers and making a slew of completely untalented zitpoppers somewhat familiar with the toplevel interface of high profile software. Which actually gives high profile software providers a head start in the competition in the unlikely event that the zitpopper developes a talent and wants to make use of it professionally.

teh gück

Now on Rosegarden and Tracktion (thanks Guitar Player)

[ericj23]

they can load a new executable onto the usb key - its how they updated the sx 2 system (cracked ages ago)to the sx 3 system (cracked recently)

so i think they are saying - hello crackers - are you ready to waste another 20000 man hours cracking this ?

[Guckli]

Yeah, I guess so, but don't forget that the crackers as I understand it now know how to emulate the on-key processor, encrypted as it may be, which makes it a good deal easier to fool around with the code itself.
Wish the protection coders and the crackers alike would do something more productive, all those manhours could surely bring better software to us users

[stag]

Well i saw posted at Cubase.net that H20 has given up, or give in, this is last time they crack the syncrosoft proctection scheme.
They felt they prove theycan crack it whenever they want, after spending 200000 hours behind a PC monitor... so to them is rather pointless on keep on doing it.
Nevertheless Guckli statement aplies, more than often after someone seeing that an app is really working, or they can get by with it, people feel compelled to buy it, unless it´s a major idiot with the need to shoot himself in the foot.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

[DELETED]

[ObsoleteAcc99]

[DELETED]