KVR Audio

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:57 pm

About MP3 is the audio equivalent of jpeg (images), mpeg (movies). While it's not good practice to use compressed formats in the production process of any medium *(even if you can get away with it), it is possible to use these and come up with a professional result...and as Pummel (above) notes, what does a hobbyist care.

However, it is a bad habit that can come back to bite you, so in this era of 160 Gb hard drives and 1 Gig Memory, make a habit of sticking to lossless formats for production.

On the other hand - I have tried very very hard to tell the difference between CD and MP3 @ anything over 190 bps, it's ridiculously hard. And if that bandwidth is devoted to encoding some single sounds ... or a vocal even, it's even harder...then plop that vocal in a mix…*they* just aren't going to know you did it.

BUT DON'T!!!

Unless you have no other choice

To keep this FL Studio related - it as others have pointed out uses the Lame codec, this is the best available bar none!

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:02 pm

pummel wrote:
were talking originally about the samples we use in music, not the music itself
Yea, for the samples that go into making the music.

OK, let me clarify -- perhaps for a profession studio, sample quality matters. Maybe. But from a hobbiest point of view?

Making an issue over subtle differences in a sample, which ends up as just one part in a 20+ channel mix ? Really?

I suppose no one remember the marginal sound quality of the original EMU 8 bit samplers. Although, perhaps the consumer level versions (at $2k+ ) never made it into pro studios.

That's true. If youre music isnt commercial it's not going to see a CD and most people will hear your music through MP3's anyway, so i guess it would be ok then.

musicmaster · Post by **musicmaster** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:03 pm

Buckskin wrote:no, the new FX are not in 5.0.2 they will be out with the release of FL6

So when is FL6 released?

Musicmaster

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:34 pm

musicmaster wrote:
So when is FL6 released?

2069...as always.

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:42 pm

deaneager wrote:
verstaerker wrote:
mwa wrote:Any idea when FL6 is going to be released?

Also.. are all these new plugins going to be included with FL, or will they be seperate purchases like Sytrus?
i guess on december

2069
Surely sooner than that! Final releases normally go out within 6 weeks of betas and the betas are out now. With Live 5 being imminent too, surely the pressure is on to release an update sooner rather than later?

i would bet on it that it's not coming out before december

musicmaster · Post by **musicmaster** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:46 pm

You mean FL6 betas????

Musicmaster

pummel · Post by **pummel** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:53 pm

FL studio amazes me as they continue to exceed my expectations year after year -- that whole crew is a bunch of over-acheivers.

I wonder if they are ever going to take a break; they deserve one.

I just hope GOL and company do not get burned out doing this.

rbet · Post by **rbet** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:53 pm

Yup, gol comes up with innovative stuff year after year. Best $150 I will ever spend. I just wish they (IL) become a little more um, forthcoming about new release dates.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:11 pm

Any rumors or info about changes to FL itself? Granted, some of those new plugins appear to be rather sweet... but... not to be a bastard about it, the app itself could use some tuning as well

I've only heard a rumor or two about it, and from sources saying "I think there was something about it somewhere".

Regards,

JMH

Buckskin · Post by **Buckskin** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:50 am

there could be some changes. Hmm, I wonder what they might be...

edchamberlain · Post by **edchamberlain** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:29 pm

FL6 Likely and Possible Inclusions from samplecity

* A New and Improved Mixer

* Sustain

* Multiple MIDI in's

* Fruity Browser "Search" capabilities

* Minor software bug fixes

* Dynamic Loops plug-in

* Chrome plug-in (visual effects)

* Aguru's Directwave Sampler plug-in

* MTC Wrapper plug-in

* Fruity Squeeze plug-in

* Vocoder VSTi plug-in

* DrumSynth Live plug-in

* SimSynth Live plug-in (bug fixes)

* FPC2 plug-in (8 banks of 16 pads, ADSR envelopes, FX, kit & loop library

* Slayer plug-in (slides and per-note parameters will be added)

* Fruity Scratcher plug-in (w/ 2 turntables)

* Fruity Reverb 2 plug-in

* EQUO (I'm not sure what this is supposed to be--maybe some kind of EQ plug-in?)

* Fruity Multiband Compresser plug-in (3 band)

* Fruity Envelope Controller plug-in

* Probably other internal software improvements

soma · Post by **soma** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:49 pm

Hmmm... I wish for two things that probably will never happen. (until then I'll just use the demo as a tool.)

1) a modular "mixer" a la Buzz
2) some improvements of the audio tracks and audio clip handling. I look to either tracktion or Live for these.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:53 pm

soma wrote:Hmmm... I wish for two things that probably will never happen. (until then I'll just use the demo as a tool.)

1) a modular "mixer" a la Buzz
2) some improvements of the audio tracks and audio clip handling. I look to either tracktion or Live for these.

What you need is to buy energy XT and use that as a plugin within your host. Best of both worlds.

- bManic

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:59 pm

I wish FLStudio would pass key presses onto VST plugins like energyXT.

At the moment, you can't do certain functions because FLStudio won't allow the keystrokes through.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:20 pm

edchamberlain wrote: * A New and Improved Mixer

About bloody time

I can only hope they've gone far enough to provide the user with a 'real' mixer - that is, allowing a view of all the channels at once. Otherwise its functionality has always been good. (small touches such as renaming plugins rock) I guess I should clarify that mixing to me is a stage in the process where I simply want to concentrate on how things sound together, and when I hit that spot, I want access to everything related at once, without flipping pages and so on... of course adding mute to the solo function would be great too.

Not to mention that with the current size of the mixer window, something like 32 channels per row and two rows would make the mixer window fit nicely on 1024x768 desktop

Another thing related to this that springs to mind is... why not have the channel settings window one big window instead of three subpages, perhaps so it's selectable from Preferences or something...? You'd end up having a bigger keyboard in the window for quick previewing of the sound (and the functions related to the keyboard) and even quicker access to all the sound parameters...

edchamberlain wrote: * Fruity Browser "Search" capabilities

Wow. The good things getting better

edchamberlain wrote: * Aguru's Directwave Sampler plug-in

Yeah, this one seems to be one helluva plugin, about the biggest improvement / addon I've seen so far.

edchamberlain wrote: * MTC Wrapper plug-in

From what I remember, this is one of those things people have been asking for since the dawn of times...

edchamberlain wrote: * FPC2 plug-in (8 banks of 16 pads, ADSR envelopes, FX, kit & loop library

Great if it's upgraded. FPC is a nice concept but surely can be taken further... (a vision terrible to some users... FL7 or so, the step sequencer is replaced with an "instruments" bar, Samplers replaced with instruments such as FPC3 that contain everything Samplers did, and there's alternative editors in addition to the piano roll - one being a step sequencer like the current one, and one perhaps being a tracker of some kind... I know, but a man can dream...)

edchamberlain wrote: * Fruity Envelope Controller plug-in

Isn't this one of those things that were supposed to come out a long time ago (like before Sytrus)? In any case, it looks promising too - I found the audio tracks and the envelopes there a tad clumsy to work with, albeit rather powerful. (Clumsiness comes from audio tracks in general being awkward, almost un-FL like)

Hell... looks like one impressive update indeed. I understand it's "easier" for them to slap a pile of plugins on top of things, but here's hoping they also amaze everybody by tweaking the app itself in the process...

FL feels kinda schizophrenic to me. There's a lot of nice ideas but sometimes they've done in a fashion that doesn't feel that sensible really...

Take for example those time markers. Those could be further improved to be selectable when you're selecting patterns in the playlist, so they'd move along if you've selected a whole part of the song and you're moving it. (Inserting space when moving things forward seem to move the markers too, but what about moving things the other direction?) Ok, I know this is a small thing really

But further improvements so they're really usable would include the possibility to quickly loop a marked area by a modifier + click or something... or selecting a marked piece of the song the same way. Jumping to next / previous etc. markers with shortcuts (like some of the big sequencers allow you to do). Lots of room for improvement, despite it already being nice.

Another thing that springs to mind is separating selections from looping for playback. This is what has always felt strange to me, and there are so many ways to realize it without making things harder to use or clutter up the interface. It feels especially odd if you select something in the piano that isn't exactly the length of full bars, while FL is playing - you get a loop that twitches...

It's small things like these that still keep me from committing to FL... Some small things that affect the workflow - they might not make it extremely hard but are somewhat a nuisance.

Before anyone pulls out the "FL bashing!!!" card, I have to say that my commentary is about improving something that's already good so it'd be great - at least in my eyes

Regards,

JMH

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