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- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
"entire story about the 'are friends electric' preset is a legendary"
For the people reading this, no matter how many times velltone posts it, that claim is factually incorrect in it's entirety.
Cheers.
For the people reading this, no matter how many times velltone posts it, that claim is factually incorrect in it's entirety.
Cheers.
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- Banned
- 97 posts since 29 May, 2022 from Lelystad
I didn't say that, I was talking about ROMs and sound in general. Read the posts. I assumed 'rom topic' covered all road, and sound covered all sounds.VELLTONE MUSIC wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:09 am you insist that people here who actually have hardware Virus HAVE NO RIGHT TO use virus rom
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- KVRian
- 750 posts since 9 Mar, 2001
In this context, sounds are merely simple settings in a synth. You can sell pre-made settings, of course, but you can't copyright or claim that you own a specific setting. You can't legally stop anyone from describing how to set certain setting in any software or hardware... imagine the can of worms if people could claim certain settings in ANY software.
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- KVRAF
- 12084 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I could run an algorithm and have very sound with every setting after a few dayscnt wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:32 pm In this context, sounds are merely simple settings in a synth. You can sell pre-made settings, of course, but you can't copyright or claim that you own a specific setting. You can't legally stop anyone from describing how to set certain setting in any software or hardware... imagine the can of worms if people could claim certain settings in ANY software.
Now, back to my patent application for a supersaw wave....
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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VELLTONE MUSIC VELLTONE MUSIC https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=404834
- KVRAF
- 2434 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from The Future
- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
"Read about 'Are friends electric' preset in a article in a www famous magazine, so if they fool people is their problem not mine,but definitionally do not accept somebody to call me a fool for sharing this"
A very lazy, cheap cop out to blame someone else for your error.
I doubt the "famous magazine" would make such a mistake, so please, link to your source - or at least post the name of the magazine.
It's more likely you just made it up to support your failed opinion on sound ware copyright.
To think there aren't people reading who are more knowledgeable is
thinking.
A very lazy, cheap cop out to blame someone else for your error.
I doubt the "famous magazine" would make such a mistake, so please, link to your source - or at least post the name of the magazine.
It's more likely you just made it up to support your failed opinion on sound ware copyright.
To think there aren't people reading who are more knowledgeable is
Last edited by Aliens on Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- KVRAF
- 7660 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
Journalists have a knack for getting even basic facts wrong.
It's just what happens when people with a degree in creative writing pretend to be experts on all things.
It's just what happens when people with a degree in creative writing pretend to be experts on all things.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
So let's read it from the "www famous magazine" source.
But even if true, and a "www famous magazine" fooled it's readers, only the biggest fool would use just one unsubstantiated reference to make a statement of fact.
Did someone say "aggressive ignorance"?
But even if true, and a "www famous magazine" fooled it's readers, only the biggest fool would use just one unsubstantiated reference to make a statement of fact.
Did someone say "aggressive ignorance"?
- KVRAF
- 7660 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
We can't do that if you won't reveal your source.
BTW, this isn't my argument, but aren't you the one here using "just one unsubstantiated reference to make a statement of fact"?
BTW, this isn't my argument, but aren't you the one here using "just one unsubstantiated reference to make a statement of fact"?
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
Me? Absolutely not. I haven't even quoted a reference yet, let alone an unsubstantiated one.
I can, of course, and with a direct quote from the man himself.
It's also mentioned in his book 'Praying to the aliens'.
And Lori Majewski’s book Mad World: An Oral History of New Wave Artists and Songs That Defined the 1980s.
But velltone was wrong and after an "I was wrong", that should be that.
I can, of course, and with a direct quote from the man himself.
It's also mentioned in his book 'Praying to the aliens'.
And Lori Majewski’s book Mad World: An Oral History of New Wave Artists and Songs That Defined the 1980s.
But velltone was wrong and after an "I was wrong", that should be that.
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- KVRAF
- 7660 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
I'm not actually sure who is arguing what or why.
I just know it's part of lore that there was a Minimoog in the studio when Tubeway Army was recording Replicas, and Gary Numan decided to use it. Pretty sure the story came from Numan himself, but musicians tend to make up stories of serendipitous happenstance in interviews because that's more interesting than talking about the actual tedious creative process.
I kind of question the story because the entire Replicas album is built around Minimoog leads, not just 'Are Friends Electric?', so what was Tubeway Army doing in the studio if they went in without any songs?
But either way, a Minimoog makes a Minimoog sound, and it doesn't really matter who tweaked the knobs. Replicas is a great album because it has great songs, not because the Filter Emphasis was set to 3 instead of 4.
I just know it's part of lore that there was a Minimoog in the studio when Tubeway Army was recording Replicas, and Gary Numan decided to use it. Pretty sure the story came from Numan himself, but musicians tend to make up stories of serendipitous happenstance in interviews because that's more interesting than talking about the actual tedious creative process.
I kind of question the story because the entire Replicas album is built around Minimoog leads, not just 'Are Friends Electric?', so what was Tubeway Army doing in the studio if they went in without any songs?
But either way, a Minimoog makes a Minimoog sound, and it doesn't really matter who tweaked the knobs. Replicas is a great album because it has great songs, not because the Filter Emphasis was set to 3 instead of 4.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
- KVRAF
- 1593 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
This should help.
https://medium.com/micro-chop/it-took-g ... 0c31d11224
"Numan was on his way to the studio to record their Tubeway Army debut when he discovered an instrument that would forever change his career. “There was a Minimoog synthesizer in the corner of the control room waiting to be collected by a hire company, which, lucky for me, never turned up, and I was able to use it for two or three days,”"
So first album, not Replicas.
"As luck would have it, the synth’s previous user had adjusted the settings to create a perfect, bottom-end heavy sound that piqued his interest. Without these ideal settings Numan isn’t sure he would’ve done much with the instrument. “I wouldn’t have known how to get that sound; I didn’t know anything about synthesizers,” “They were just a bunch of dials to me.”"
"Fixated with his new toy, Numan spent the next few days messing around with the machine and was soon obsessed with the distinct qualities of the Minimoog. It wasn’t long before it became a central part of his recording process. “I developed a massive passion for electronic musically practically overnight,” “I very hastily converted my pure punk songs into electronic songs.”"
So no 'preset' was used, certainly not on AFE, it inspired the use of synths in his music.
https://medium.com/micro-chop/it-took-g ... 0c31d11224
"Numan was on his way to the studio to record their Tubeway Army debut when he discovered an instrument that would forever change his career. “There was a Minimoog synthesizer in the corner of the control room waiting to be collected by a hire company, which, lucky for me, never turned up, and I was able to use it for two or three days,”"
So first album, not Replicas.
"As luck would have it, the synth’s previous user had adjusted the settings to create a perfect, bottom-end heavy sound that piqued his interest. Without these ideal settings Numan isn’t sure he would’ve done much with the instrument. “I wouldn’t have known how to get that sound; I didn’t know anything about synthesizers,” “They were just a bunch of dials to me.”"
"Fixated with his new toy, Numan spent the next few days messing around with the machine and was soon obsessed with the distinct qualities of the Minimoog. It wasn’t long before it became a central part of his recording process. “I developed a massive passion for electronic musically practically overnight,” “I very hastily converted my pure punk songs into electronic songs.”"
So no 'preset' was used, certainly not on AFE, it inspired the use of synths in his music.
Cheers.Aliens wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:16 am "entire story about the 'are friends electric' preset is a legendary"
For the people reading this, no matter how many times velltone posts it, that claim is factually incorrect in it's entirety.
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- KVRist
- 171 posts since 8 Jun, 2019
This is a good project, a great idea. Legal questions may arise later, depending on what the dev does with it, but reverse engineering isn't illegal.
Almost all the responses need to be nuked out of this thread, but I think the on-topic parts should stay, and good-faith discussion should be encouraged.
https://peillaw.com/the-legalities-of-r ... gineering/
Almost all the responses need to be nuked out of this thread, but I think the on-topic parts should stay, and good-faith discussion should be encouraged.
https://peillaw.com/the-legalities-of-r ... gineering/
