Valhalla Delay released

[meloco_go]

Still, I'm in no hurry. It'll be there once I get some extra income again.

That's what I like about people like Sean (Valhalla) and Andy (Cytomic), fixed reasonable price, no "early access" prices and no sales. I also don't have money at the moment (and too many delays...), but I know when the time is right, I'd grab ValhallaDelay for sure!

[e@rs]

This ValhallaDelay is so infuriatingly good.. like.. holy shiiiiit! Goddamn missing 50$. I'm almost tempted to rob my kids piggybank.

I'm absolutely blown away by this delay.

Your posts are usually so scientific and delivered with a cold attitude. And now this burst...

[e@rs]

ReplikaXT sounds very smooth and very well mixed with the source ("glued" together). Valhalla sounds more "on top" of the source signal. This is very easy to listen, with both delays on the same source.

I keep hearing this 'Valhalla stuff doesn't gel, it stays on top of the source' over and over (with the reverbs, and now for this delay...). I must be deaf for not hearing it myself. Anybody can post a few obvious examples (X plugin gelled sound vs. Valhalla un-gelled sound)?

[Freaqpeak]

ReplikaXT sounds very smooth and very well mixed with the source ("glued" together). Valhalla sounds more "on top" of the source signal. This is very easy to listen, with both delays on the same source.

I keep hearing this 'Valhalla stuff doesn't gel, it stays on top of the source' over and over (with the reverbs, and now for this delay...). I must be deaf for not hearing it myself. Anybody can post a few obvious examples (X plugin gelled sound vs. Valhalla un-gelled sound)?

I don't agree, such claims should be shown in examples.
I would say it depends on how you set up the plugin. It can do both. For example adjust high freq levels, diffusion and volume mix and it will will glue beautifully... or stay "on top".

[neverbeeninariot]

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Lush!

Is it just me or is actual saving of presets disabled in the demo version? Would be nice if saving was enabled, no? [...].

Presets cannot be saved in any V demos (except via text c/p of course).

[jens]

It would need two libraries to solve the problem - factory and user. Make the factory one read-only and the user one write-only for the demo - a simple enough solution, I would think...

[chk071]

ReplikaXT sounds very smooth and very well mixed with the source ("glued" together). Valhalla sounds more "on top" of the source signal. This is very easy to listen, with both delays on the same source.

I keep hearing this 'Valhalla stuff doesn't gel, it stays on top of the source' over and over (with the reverbs, and now for this delay...). I must be deaf for not hearing it myself.

From my experience with their reverbs, i can somehow confirm that. No audio examples, but, i never could get them to sound the way i want. Don't have that issue with loads of other reverbs.

I can't say i noticed something unpleasant with VDelay though. Sounded alright to me. I didn't demo it very long though.

[HcDoom]

Ok, those who say this delay doesnt gel as some others, pls, make a simple ping pong delay with same settings on both delays and post examples here. Try to match bu ears as close as possible, than prove that vdelay doesnt gel with source.

[bmanic]

The "doesn't gel" thing is in my opinion an universal problem with many delays. Not just software vs hardware. Sometimes you can get around these issues with careful filtering and messing with phase.

So far the one that is easiest to use as a "technical mixing delay" (meaning: it is providing the function of a reverb by creating density and movement in a mix without causing congestion) is Acustica Audio's Lemon. That thing is pure weird in how well it mixes into stuff. I made a pretty radical example a few years ago:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showpos ... stcount=16

That example is absolutely obnoxious and horrible but it gets the idea across, especially when you listen to it in mono you can very clearly how well it "gels" into the background. The original signal is never really veiled or intruded upon.

I've used this in a mix of 200+ tracks where I still have more than 10 delay lines going all over the place (instead of reverbs) to create space for various elements. It never got clogged up. I actually think it mixes so well due to the limitations on the sampling system AA uses and how it's slightly weird in it's transient response (the "echo" bug).

Having said all that, Valhalla Delay mixes really well here in my opinion.. and I'd probably categorize this in the creative effects category rather than technical mixing tools category.

[bmanic]

Ok, those who say this delay doesnt gel as some others, pls, make a simple ping pong delay with same settings on both delays and post examples here. Try to match bu ears as close as possible, than prove that vdelay doesnt gel with source.

It's not quite that simple. You need to test the delays in a congested mix. That's when you notice if something fits the mix or not. Having said that, the example in the above post does exactly what you just asked for, except there is only the dry and wet files, not a 3rd for comparison but you can just download the .wav and do it yourself.

For instance in the case of Valhalla reverbs (mainly room and vintage verb), they have the problem of quite easily congesting a busy mix. There will be a perceptual buildup of mid and low-mid frequencies whereas the exact opposite sometimes happens with for instance classic Lexicon algorithms.. they seem to instead phase cancel the mids and low-mids, thus actually alleviating problems in the mix instead of creating them. This is the very essence of "gelling with the mix" or not.

[mholloway]

From my experience with their reverbs, i can somehow confirm that. No audio examples, but, i never could get them to sound the way i want. Don't have that issue with loads of other reverbs.

Usually a 'confirmation' would include some form of example, proof, data, results, anything that, you know, actually confirms a thing.

but apparently the KVR standard of assertions is "it sounds less gluey and sticky, more toppy and slappy than everything else" and we're all supposed to pretend like this forwards the discussion meaningfully.

Well, sorry: it doesn't. Post audio examples. If this is really what you are hearing, chances are others of us will hear it too. If you're just showing up to talk negatively, or with various arbitrary adjectives attached to your statement of "I don't like it" (I realize the quoted section doesn't do that, but the post it's in response to did, with all that "more on top" nonsense) you're just wasting everybody's time. If you can hear the problem, we can hear the problem. Post examples and let's discuss.

[mholloway]

dbl.

[bmanic]

From my experience with their reverbs, i can somehow confirm that. No audio examples, but, i never could get them to sound the way i want. Don't have that issue with loads of other reverbs.

For Valhalla Room my main "work-around" looks like this:



or even more extreme..



This is a way to somewhat get around the low-mid buildup.

[e@rs]

^Nice, thanx for those values! I was just playing with VRoom today trying to get it to sound closer to Pro-R, and I also tweaked the s*** out of those 4 parameters.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If your reverb is on a send, you can always insert an EQ post reverb to further shape the sound. Heck, I haven't tried it yet, but I bet a dynamic EQ like TDR Nova would be killer in that application. You could shape it to cut low mids from the reverb during denser parts of the song like a chorus, or anywhere there's a build up of those particular frequencies. You might even want to do the opposite and cut some top off the verb during sparse sections.