Your next amp

[Dean Aka Nekro]

I looks cool. But as an inside kvr joke, "simulated orange tube glow?"

Its FTW! At least they are honest about it and have not done the world a favour by jamming in a plate starved real one I hate the things that involve the waste of components to house and to us add up to additional cost a wanky plate starved 12AX7/ECC83 that would be served better with a transistor if it actually does anything at all in such signal paths

If i end up getting me one after trying and Nik's demo clips sound good. I will make the faux valve glow red instead or even put in some white for a bit of natural glow. Still cosmetics I ain't that arsed about (if anyone didn't know that one already )

Dean you mirror my sentiments exactly concerning the cube

I'm sorry that you find your cube as lacking as I do mine Mike mate, Also more complaints - The on-board effects, There is just no travel to get much of a useable setting on any of them its either off, dead slow or too fast with the modulations, I never use reverb on amps so never bothered with it but the delay is semi-useable but still suffers the same problem with regards to the travel, Either to quick so its sounds like reverb/slapback or too slow so its only useful for slow solos. I have many suspect areas that I would like to check out but they have made it so its nigh on impossible to take apart. I did remove the front metal grill but that didn't help much. What I am going to do is tear it down without disregard as to putting it back together so I can see/try to use the DSP pre-amp with my homebrew tonesucker mkI power-amp that is a what you put in is what you get out type deal and this is the area I'm most suspicious of being the problem - The speaker roland/boss have used. So I will fire it through various different cabs/loudspeakers to see if I can any inprovements. It will certaintly be more time than it is worth I am sure but I'm hellbent on trying to workout exactly why they have got it so wrong now. I'll record clips of it in various states starting from 'stock'/how it is now and hopefully it will help not just myself in finding the most crap *areas*

All the best

Dean

*That is presuming it is not just one total write off and I am not able to split it into pre, power and cab/speaker to even try to test each section. Who knows with all this modern DSP and Class D amps. Still I'd be very shocked if I could not at least hook it up to different speakers!*

[hibidy]

I might go try one of those yami's. I'm not serious about getting a real amp, but I'd like to give it a go. I'm shocked that they actually have them in stock locally (we hardly every have anything I really would like to try.)

[Dean Aka Nekro]

I might go try one of those yami's. I'm not serious about getting a real amp, but I'd like to give it a go. I'm shocked that they actually have them in stock locally (we hardly every have anything I really would like to try.)

Cool/good news for you dude Take numero uno axe of yours to give it the best you can and demand iso booth/solitude to test it, Instead of trying to play the local store rat kid(s) that play trivium tosh like geetar heroics/wankery wankers. FWIW when im testing something I rarely play any form of solos as it doesn't give me a very good impression of an amp and/or pedal even and don't touch the reverb/sod it off to make certain you are getting the pure sounds of each model first

Heck I know you know that already but in a busy shop sometimes I walk in and totally forget what the heck I went in to try and achieve or buy unless its strings and bits like that So i had to start writing lists Seriously. I can only put it down to noise and endless distractions of other things that are not mean't to be in my gear future mate

The plot was never mine to lose though

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At least they are honest about it and have not done the world a favour by jamming in a plate starved real one I hate the things that involve the waste of components to house and to us add up to additional cost a wanky plate starved 12AX7/ECC83 that would be served better with a transistor if it actually does anything at all in such signal paths

Remember when someone thought that was what my first Frenzel would be? And it would not be loud enough to push a speaker with the two watt tube That strikes me especially funny today...I hope all is well Dean, TTYS

[Uncle E]

Remember when someone thought that was what my first Frenzel would be? And it would not be loud enough to push a speaker with the two watt tube That strikes me especially funny today...I hope all is well Dean, TTYS

I plugged into the 35 watt Vox TB35-C2 and, man, did it tear my head off! I like 18 watters because they can do decently loud cleans yet you can stand in front of them when they're cranked.

[hibidy]

I might go try one of those yami's. I'm not serious about getting a real amp, but I'd like to give it a go. I'm shocked that they actually have them in stock locally (we hardly every have anything I really would like to try.)

Cool/good news for you dude Take numero uno axe of yours to give it the best you can and demand iso booth/solitude to test it, Instead of trying to play the local store rat kid(s) that play trivium tosh like geetar heroics/wankery wankers. FWIW when im testing something I rarely play any form of solos as it doesn't give me a very good impression of an amp and/or pedal even and don't touch the reverb/sod it off to make certain you are getting the pure sounds of each model first

Heck I know you know that already but in a busy shop sometimes I walk in and totally forget what the heck I went in to try and achieve or buy unless its strings and bits like that So i had to start writing lists Seriously. I can only put it down to noise and endless distractions of other things that are not mean't to be in my gear future mate

The plot was never mine to lose though

I'm pretty crappy at playing solos. Some blues scale stuff if about all. It's a drag......I wish I could shred (obviously I don't have the physical ability )

Variety is what I'm looking for. Does it sound thin, cheap, lame, fake, etc. Or does it have a voice? Most amps don't, but then again, most of the stuff at local stores is just junk.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Remember when someone thought that was what my first Frenzel would be? And it would not be loud enough to push a speaker with the two watt tube That strikes me especially funny today...I hope all is well Dean, TTYS

Yes indeed, It has come up quite a few times where at least one of us has tried to explain how even a 1 watt valve power-amp is LOUD if maxed. I probably said it on the actual Frenzel thread itself but again and this in in general with lower watt output all-valve/tube amps, The builders always seem to rate them really on the conservative side output wise. I'd bet the first Frenzel is more than the stated 2 watts mate and yes indeed speak soon

I plugged into the 35 watt Vox TB35-C2 and, man, did it tear my head off! I like 18 watters because they can do decently loud cleans yet you can stand in front of them when they're cranked.

I can easily hear and picture it dude stuff. A band I used to play in and are still really close friends, Their bass player has an original AC30. They are a three piece/power trio so we were trying various configurations/setups out to give the sound more power and I went abit OTT, We had my morley 4-way switcher with a Marshall JCM800 half-stack, VintageModern half-stack both with a 1960 (1960A for the JCM800 and a 1960AV for the VM), Fender HotRod DeVille II 4x10" Combo and that Vox AC30 2x12"...Out of all them the AC30 was just visceral Eric and yeah took heads off. Even though both the Marshall's were 100 watts the AC30 was still deceptively/percieved as easily as loud. They have to use/be seen using Marshall only due to sponsership deal but not in the studio and rehersal room. Another amp that I wasn't expecting to be loud but it tore my head off is/was a Wienbrock Gringo head into a Caballero 2x12"
http://www.wienbrockamps.com/gringo.html that and one of these http://www.wienbrockamps.com/caballero.html Its not the type of voicing which suits me but great amps and Rob and the small team were the dood's whom built me my current 1x15" a custom compact that works with guitar and bass, No horn/tweeter. So when my local started dealing i thought well I'll give one a try just to hear what they are like...and got a proper tooth rattle!!! Like vintage/classic fender-ish clean to growl/grit thing going on in drive department except with what all I can describe as visceral power. Just incase you ever fancy another face/head ripping experience/punishment

Cheers gentlemen, Take care

Dean

[Uncle E]

We had my morley 4-way switcher with a Marshall JCM800 half-stack, VintageModern half-stack both with a 1960 (1960A for the JCM800 and a 1960AV for the VM), Fender HotRod DeVille II 4x10" Combo and that Vox AC30 2x12"...Out of all them the AC30 was just visceral Eric and yeah took heads off.

That's why I can't understand 100 watt amps. All that weight and expense just to gain a smidgeon more volume, I'd rather convert a 50 watt amp to KT88's.

[bmanic]

I just recently recorded a 100 watt Laney amp + 4x12 cab in the studio and we had to crank it to ridiculous levels for a good tone (crunch and clean).

It was so loud that the mouse that I had forgotten turned on in the recording booth (we have a dual keyboard/mouse/monitor setup which is mirrored from the control room to the recording booth so people can work from wherever they choose to be) moved around simply from the sound pressure. It was wicked seeing the mouse cursor on my screen moving around randomly every time the guitarist struck a chord.. especially during palm mutes. It was like 4 meters from the amp stack. Even the fizz/buzz from the guitar hit you in the chest when I went to tweak the microphone setup.

.. so yeah, I kind of agree. For recording the smaller amps are easier to deal with.

Cheers!
bManic

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We had my morley 4-way switcher with a Marshall JCM800 half-stack, VintageModern half-stack both with a 1960 (1960A for the JCM800 and a 1960AV for the VM), Fender HotRod DeVille II 4x10" Combo and that Vox AC30 2x12"...Out of all them the AC30 was just visceral Eric and yeah took heads off.

That's why I can't understand 100 watt amps. All that weight and expense just to gain a smidgeon more volume, I'd rather convert a 50 watt amp to KT88's.

you get a smidgeon more headroom too Seriously, the only reason why I would get another 100 watt (or more) amp would be because it was a one time shot and I didn't have the choice between a 50 watt and 100 watt...like for instance if I go a great deal on a JCM800 but it was the 100 watt model, then I would just pull two power tubes if I felt the need

[Uncle E]

like for instance if I go a great deal on a JCM800 but it was the 100 watt model, then I would just pull two power tubes if I felt the need

It will sound different because of the transformers.

Personally, I could see a Class A 1 x KT88 or Class A/B 2 x EL84 amp feeding a 4 ohm neodymium speaker as lightweight yet loud gigging amp.

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like for instance if I go a great deal on a JCM800 but it was the 100 watt model, then I would just pull two power tubes if I felt the need

It will sound different because of the transformers.

it's no different than a half power switch

Personally, I could see a Class A 1 x KT88 or Class A/B 2 x EL84 amp feeding a 4 ohm neodymium speaker as lightweight yet loud gigging amp.

the former (KT88) is part of the charm of the Frenzel CSS...I have yet to get a KT88 though...I have the 2 x EL84 in the Egnator and that amp is plenty loud

FWIW with the Frenzel so far I still like the EL34 the least, the best so far is a jj 6v6

[Uncle E]

it's no different than a half power switch

Yes. That sounds different than using a 50 watt amp with appropriate transformers.

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it's no different than a half power switch

Yes. That sounds different than using a 50 watt amp with appropriate transformers.

the half power switch on the two boogie sobs I have owned were awesome sounding, I never used either on full power. I didn't have a 50 watt boogie sob to compare it to so I wonder if different equals better or worse

fwiw I'm not even sure "appropriate transformers" would sound better...seems to me that stock trannies are not always as good as after market trannies so is after market appropriate or inappropriate?

[Uncle E]

fwiw I'm not even sure "appropriate transformers" would sound better...seems to me that stock trannies are not always as good as after market trannies so is after market appropriate or inappropriate?

True! The best Super Reverb I've ever played - in fact, one of the very best sounding amps I've ever heard - was an old 1964 I had into which someone had put an old brown face Concert transformer. It was also missing one speaker and some of the vibe got lost when I put that missing speaker in.

Like I said, not better or worse, just different.