Ooh, I like This Modular Rack...

[vurt]

nice looking rig.
the 4ms oscillator looks interesting, youll have to let us know how you get on with it

So, the ENOSC (ensemble oscillator) of 4ms is in. I have only been playing with it for like an hour but i m really enthusiastic about this one.
And i think this module would be right up your alley, Vurt.

The range of complex sounds you can make with it is pretty extensive.
You can can all sorts of sounds from classics like
organ sounds, all kinds of pads, drones, supersaws, supersquares
to
techno sounds and hoovers (at a moment i was getting all sorts of hoovers out of it)
to
all sorts of scifi sounds, distorted ~guitar sounds, ambient sounds, bubbly evolving sounds....

Adding some reverb and then playing with a filter is really fun. Instead of feeding it notes, I also got some nice ambienty sequences by dynamically changing the chord structure, ...

There is also tons of modulation provided; i hardly got to it yet but i already got so many tones out of it. The video from Blush response shows that it can also go very aggressive with all kinds of techno sounds, EBM basses etc.

The controls gelled well with me; i do advice that you read the manual to understand the inner working of the additive oscillators. I read the manual while I was waiting for the module to arrive.

The build of the module is high quality.

awesome! glad to hear it's working for you
re build quality, i have the 4ms sampler, and totally agree, really sturdy knobs and well spaced considering the size of the module.

sounds like quite a deep module, may check some videos at some point soon (got some good news in a good old fashioned letter today) if i can arrange space

[Stefken]

awesome! glad to hear it's working for you
re build quality, i have the 4ms sampler, and totally agree, really sturdy knobs and well spaced considering the size of the module.

Yes, it is nicely spaced for me. I prefer modules not to go over 16 HP as it adds up really fast.
@foosnark I ll just attenuate at the source then.

sounds like quite a deep module, may check some videos at some point soon (got some good news in a good old fashioned letter today) if i can arrange space

Yes, it is deep.

This video shows the main functions.




One important thing to understand, is that the oscillators have their own (unquantized) frequency, and when they are 'evaluated' against a scale, the default note assignment is in a fuzzy way instead of snapping to a note. That is, if the unquantized frequency falls between 2 notes, both notes will be played with the note closest being the loudest.
Hence the first, purple oscillator (root) will trigger 2 notes but in different amplitudes.

Moving your oscillators around will let them fall on other notes/harmonics.

There are quite a few similarities with Spectraphon.
I understand Spectraphon will also trigger multiple harmonics when there is no perfect match?
The root knob is quite similar to the slide knob in Spectraphon (SAM) as it will make stuff land on different harmonics, sliding along the horizontal axis of the spectrum; the pitch knob is ~similar to the frequency knob in Spectraphon as it (in part) determines the pitch of the generated sound (it s a more of an offset after quantization though)

Spectraphon only uses sine oscillators though, while EnOsc can phase-shape them into saws, squares, etc which makes a huge difference.

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[lnikj]

Any of you chaps had both an EnOSC and an Odessa? I will pick up one or the other eventually. I'm mostly inclined towards the EnOSC but the Odessa has some Leibniz friendly features I believe (I intend to begin my journey into the latter when Drezno II is released).

[SHall1000]

Went for a Brains as my next module. Arrives tomorrow. Was considering an After Later Beehive at half the hp but in the end couldn’t justify twice the price. The firmware update by USB also appeals and the extra space should make tweaking easier.
Only 32 hp left so next module will need careful consideration.

[foosnark]

EnOsc and Spectraphon are very different. Both very cool. EnOsc isn't working with the harmonic series but rather, sets of intervals, which then repeat either on octaves or some other defined range (e.g. with Bohlen-Pierce it uses tritaves, which are x3 frequency rather than the x2 of octaves).

I don't think EnOsc can do the harmonic series. You can create a custom scale that has the first few harmonics, but once it goes above those, it will repeat the pattern of intervals, not continue with multiples in the series.

Spectraphon is strictly on the harmonic series. It's also just one (or two in SAM) oscillator per side, but it uses a waveshaping technique to create the additional harmonics. EnOsc is... however many oscillators you have assigned, up to 2x that for the crossfade thing. One of the waveshaping parameters is individual per oscillator and the other is done to the mix, if I'm not mistaken.

Any of you chaps had both an EnOSC and an Odessa?

I did. I still have Odessa and love it. EnOsc is awesome, but I wound up selling it -- there's a lot of competition and I had to draw the line somewhere.

I've never used the Liebniz stuff with Odessa. If I were going to, I'd probably just choose Lipsk since it'd be the most straightforward way to select groups.

[lnikj]

Thanks. Useful info (and I am keeping a grateful eye on your Spectraphon investigations in the other thread!).

Avoiding (too much!) sonic duplication is obviously worthwhile. Although they are entirely different beasts, I have a Panharmonium, which gives that massive spectral/additive sound that I associate (wrongly?) with these two oscillators, and less harshly than Spectraphon, even if the latter is vastly more versatile.

I've never lost the regret about not biting when Rubadub was practically giving away EnOscs in their BF sale a couple of years ago, and have never given up on the idea of owning one. I picked up a Haible Tau Phaser a couple of months ago and there is a Scheidersladen video with it being fed with the EnOsc that is eargasmic, and had me listening to it again.

An EnOsc or Odessa purchase is definitely some way off, but I will chew on what you have said about the harmonic series.

Do you feel that the Odessa (one of the most gorgeous-looking modules ever) is lacking anything in comparison with the EnOsc?

[foosnark]

Do you feel that the Odessa (one of the most gorgeous-looking modules ever) is lacking anything in comparison with the EnOsc?

They're pretty much apples and oranges IMHO. They each will definitely get into ranges of timbre that the other can't.

With EnOsc the unique thing is how the relative frequencies of the oscillators is controlled (with that scale/chord paradigm), and that has some pretty wild implications for the complex FM that can happen.

With Odessa, the unique thing (IMHO) is grouping the partials, and detuning them out of the normal harmonic series, or at least dephasing them out of alignment with each other. But even if you stay in more saw or square territory with it, the way that Tilt/Partials and the comb section filter work with it is pretty neat. Also, it does killer TZFM with an external input -- not as clean as Shapeshifter or Spectraphon, but it can be extremely intense.

[Stefken]

I considered both Odessa and EnOsc but they are very different beasts to me.
I like that the 4ms modules are very musically oriented.
I love the multitude of shaping possibilities that EnOsc brings, with plenty of sweetspots.
Today I made a tone that sounded much like a "full action" Choir chord people used to sample in house and use that as a stab. (Think T99 - Anasthasia )
Wasn t expecting to get this out of the module but there it was.

I don't have Odessa, but checking the videos out I find the sweetspots are a lot more limited and you quite often end up with harsh tones.

[lnikj]

I'll get both then

I think I'm still leaning towards the EnOSC from what you've both said (and the videos I've watched). We'll see though.

Thanks for the replies and info

[vurt]

speaking of 4ms...
the sts sampler, with make noise echophon and mimeophon (of course)

[foosnark]

I don't have Odessa, but checking the videos out I find the sweetspots are a lot more limited and you quite often end up with harsh tones.

It can be pretty harsh yeah. In some ranges you really want to modulate it or use a filter. But once you learn it the sweet spots are pretty easy to find.

[vurt]

b00m!

[lnikj]

Walker is my favourite demonstrator.

I'm only a Tempi and a Rene short of that case (silver Moddemix tho). I'm unlikely to ever get a Tempi (looks like a nightmare to use), but maybe a Rene one day.

Great patching (as ever).

[vurt]

Walker is my favourite demonstrator.

I'm only a Tempi and a Rene short of that case (silver Moddemix tho). I'm unlikely to ever get a Tempi (looks like a nightmare to use), but maybe a Rene one day.

Great patching (as ever).

im missing tempi and my rene is both version one, and boxed up for spectraphon to take it's space

my only complaint with walker, he makes it look easy, and when i copy the patches, they all sound like drones

his strega kicks the other week, is possibly the closest ive managed to one of his. then last week's patch that pete did with telharmonic, got fair close there too

[lnikj]

my only complaint with walker, he makes it look easy, and when i copy the patches, they all sound like drones

I've never tried to copy one, but I like drones