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LawrenceF wrote:I think people are taking these things - way - too personally.

I made a thread because someone asked me to. I don't personally care that much if people flood it with silly personal arguments, I only was passing along a request from another user. Why he didn't make the thread himself? No idea. Now that I see it has caused ill-will and is causing snide comments apparently directed at me, I regret doing it.

Anyway, reading various threads here today (Sonar, Bitwig, etc, etc) it seems something bad is just in the air, people getting personaly offended, angry, arguing, throwing really personal insults, etc, etc, over really nothing much at all.

Like I said last time I took a long break from all this madness ... "....and so ends my most recent foray ino KVR". :) I can only take so much of this place at a time and I think I crossed that threshold already. :)
Lawrence, I am sorry if this has caused you regrets and never would have asked if I had considered this a possibility.

I had explained my logic in that thread, now deceased. I felt a thread started by a member of higher status would possibly carry more credence than coming from a member of lower status. It's a hierarchy thing and one thing I have learned during my tenure at KVR.

It is a shame what we have witnessed, you are correct. Like you I have considered moving on but then I think there are a whole lot of people here willing to share their knowledge, expertise, kindness, etc., you among the foremost of those and many others too numerous to list.

As you know from previous posts I am all about learning. Can't get enough even at 62 years on this planet.

Please consider life has balance. Without madness there cannot be sanity. Without sorrow happiness will not exist.

Anyway, thanks again for making the attempt to bring happiness and sanity to this mad world here. Much appreciated friend.

BTW- lots of great conversation, questions and information in both threads now. In my opinion it was a great thing you did!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

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dsan@mail.com wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:I think people are taking these things - way - too personally.

I made a thread because someone asked me to. I don't personally care that much if people flood it with silly personal arguments, I only was passing along a request from another user. Why he didn't make the thread himself? No idea. Now that I see it has caused ill-will and is causing snide comments apparently directed at me, I regret doing it.

Anyway, reading various threads here today (Sonar, Bitwig, etc, etc) it seems something bad is just in the air, people getting personaly offended, angry, arguing, throwing really personal insults, etc, etc, over really nothing much at all.

Like I said last time I took a long break from all this madness ... "....and so ends my most recent foray ino KVR". :) I can only take so much of this place at a time and I think I crossed that threshold already. :)
Lawrence, I am sorry if this has caused you regrets and never would have asked if I had considered this a possibility.

I had explained my logic in that thread, now deceased. I felt a thread started by a member of higher status would possibly carry more credence than coming from a member of lower status. It's a hierarchy thing and one thing I have learned during my tenure at KVR.

It is a shame what we have witnessed, you are correct. Like you I have considered moving on but then I think there are a whole lot of people here willing to share their knowledge, expertise, kindness, etc., you among the foremost of those and many others too numerous to list.

As you know from previous posts I am all about learning. Can't get enough even at 62 years on this planet.

Please consider life has balance. Without madness there cannot be sanity. Without sorrow happiness will not exist.

Anyway, thanks again for making the attempt to bring happiness and sanity to this mad world here. Much appreciated friend.

BTW- lots of great conversation, questions and information in both threads now. In my opinion it was a great thing you did!

Happy Musiking!
dsan
I'm so confused between the bitwig threads and the sonar thread. I'm trying to stay out of your bitwig thread (deceased? I don't get it) and also stay out of the sonar thread since I've been told what an awful troll I am, that hasn't really helped either.

So how does someone not take things personally? I guess I'll stay out of this too.

@"lesser member" : Certainly you don't feel that way, anyways you shouldn't.

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let's go download Bitwig already!!!

then we can discuss it further in depth without swimming in speculations!!!


:wheee: :wheee: :wheee:

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I asked this one of the other threads.

If you mute a track, will its devices still take up cpu

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I miss the cat pics.

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bmrzycki wrote:I miss the cat pics.
I've already said I would hold back... but I really don't want to.

I miss the cats too! :cry:

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elxsound wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
elxsound wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:
pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.
I haven't tried this at all... very cool to set it up for key-switching! This just opened a lot of possibilities, but what to try this with first?
You can key switch or velocity switch, or both... You can make a sharp change, or blend between them over a user defined range. There is also a chain select option and you can use a midi controller like modwheel to switch live between chains while you play.

You could make a bass sound from C1-C3 From C3 up it plays another synth. At C4, a 3rd synth will start to fade in and it will be fully sounding (layered) by C5... just one example
pdxindy, I'm ready to propose to you. What size ring are you?

I love this. I'm kicking myself that I never thought of doing this before. I just ran a cheesy bass line into an instance of Zebra, ACE and Aalto, then automated the switching (only used my mouse, no midi knobs assigned yet). Then I fed this through NI's Drive and into Permut8. F*cking beautiful is all I can say.
Hell if I ever want any sort of ring on this finger!!

But I am glad you are liking the racks and what you can do with them! It's because of the racks, that even it has other flaws, I will likely stick with Live! They are absurdly easy and fun!!

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elxsound wrote: I meant to do what I already can do in Kontakt, but now in Live's Device Chain. I'd love to simply press a key and have it switch to a different synth, but unfortunately it seems you can only assign one midi assignment per switching parameter.

It actually works out just fine without it this way. In my other post I wrote what I did and well, I love the results!

You can do that sort of thing with some Max 4 Live devices. I have one in particular (forget the name at the moment) that will round robin between synths on different tracks. Each note press goes to a different track that you designate. I'm sure a device could be built (if it isn't already) that could auto switch between rack chains.

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Yeah, the instrument and drum racks in Live are awesome. They are the main reason why I would like to use Live one day. They only really start to make sense if one has the CPU to really make use of them though, which I currently don't have.
They are also nice to oganize presets/sounds from different plugins. Cubase has the stupid media bay for that but that thing is basically unusable imo.

I would like to know how features like the racks are implemented in Bitwig as well :)

Cheers
Dennis

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Ogopogo wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:
pdxindy wrote:One of the things I find indispensable in Live are the racks. My impression of Bitwig is that there is not something comparable to Live's instrument rack. I'd be interested to hear about this subject.
From the modulation video (start at 1m50s):

That whole "device chain" at the bottom seems to opterate a lot like a Live rack. I would be surprised if VST parameters were excluded from this macro modulation. The whole system reminds me quite a bit of the modulation system in Surge.

It even says later in the video "LFO Mod: modulate anything in a device chain".
Live had device chains before racks. In a device chain, you just add one effect after the other.

In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
If you click on the "world class sound devices" thumb on their site, you can see that there is an "inst-layer" device. I dunno if you can do the key and velocity splits with that, or if bitwig can handle separate chains after an instrument for parallel processing like Live's rack can.

http://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio
Yeah I've always assumed that the instrument layer is the equivalent of Live's instrument rack, with parallel chains and so on. What i can't anyone to talk about though, is drum racks nad how those are set up with send effects.

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elxsound wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:I miss the cat pics.
I've already said I would hold back... but I really don't want to.

I miss the cats too! :cry:
We need some comic relief. @live racks: They taunt me. I'd like to know how to get maschine set up with them (as it appears you can) but god knows I'm not really technical enough to figure it out! :lol:

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hibidy wrote:
elxsound wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:I miss the cat pics.
I've already said I would hold back... but I really don't want to.

I miss the cats too! :cry:
We need some comic relief. @live racks: They taunt me. I'd like to know how to get maschine set up with them (as it appears you can) but god knows I'm not really technical enough to figure it out! :lol:
If you want to control Maschine one to one with drum rack pads to Maschine cells, you can put maschine on one rack pad, set it up to send out all of the outs, and then use the external instrument device on the other pads to send midi to maschine on whatever midi note you want and receive from the output of that specific maschine pad sends out. You can actually set it up so that Maschine receives single midi notes for all 128 of it's pads (8 grops of 16, that is, before V2), so an entire drum rack can trigger and receive audio from all of these.

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Thanks man. I can't figure out how to do it but I understand you can. Will google it tonight :)

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I found two videos which show how Bitwig Studio can be used with a Launchpad and a Livid Base:


Sorry if someone already posted them!

Cheers
Dennis

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hibidy wrote:
elxsound wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:I miss the cat pics.
I've already said I would hold back... but I really don't want to.

I miss the cats too! :cry:
We need some comic relief. @live racks: They taunt me. I'd like to know how to get maschine set up with them (as it appears you can) but god knows I'm not really technical enough to figure it out! :lol:
How about a vide instead? :D
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