Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[Ingonator]

Sorry but the sound can come from it all. You should know what "a PPG sound" is.

Sure i know what a PPG sound is, i even played with a real one at this years Musikmesse...

Anyway i called the demo that way (i used a different name for the preset...) as first the preset i made sounds like a typical PPG sound and second i used the LFO to modulate the PW which results in a wavetable sweep like result. Try to use the "Sinoid" waveform (the 4th one) and use the "PW" knob (and the "Tone" knob too) and you'll see what i talk about. Of course you'll need the correct envelope settings for the Bell like sound.


Ingo

With these Tool and Komplexer you can create real PPG- or Wavetablesounds not with a PW-Knob.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=334828[/url]

As i already got PPG Wave 3.V, Largo, Blofeld, the Waldorf Edition, Synthmaster 2.5 and DUNE i got no interest in Komplexer which would be difficult to get anyway.
I know that you have a problem with the PPG Wave 3.V not having a wavetable editor. Anyway if you try to convince me that it'a a bad synth you will not have any luck as it's one of my absolute favorite synths.
BTW with both the Blofeld (using a free 3rd party editor) and Synthmaster you could do your own wavetables too. Some info about the Blofeld editor:
http://lady.rdsor.ro/~kotro/index.php?m=soft

With the new Cableguys Curve 2 Beta you could do crossfading (with modulation) of two custom waveforms too.

End of the story and back to Saurus. As the waveforms of each waveform could be morphed using the PW knob modulation of the PW parameter is nothing else than wavetable scanning but a very basic one with less really different waves.
Of course Saurus will not replace a "real" wavetable synth but it's nice that such kind of sounds is possible with it too.


Ingo

[himalaya]

Thanks for these, they totally confirm what I experienced with the demo. Even in my crappy Apple Earbuds, Saurus has a shrill high end that screams "digital." It is super obvious.

Can you hear it in this clip as well?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

[dalor]

Haven't demo'd myself yet but judging purely from the demo sounds, I can't hear nothing analog whatsoever. The filters are a dead giveaway.
It doesn't mean it's a bad synth overall, just wrongly labelled. Just my 2c.

Try this. How does this one sound?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

Veerryy nice! I thought you tricked me using some real VA synth, so I downloaded the demo just because of your clip. I must say the demo sounds don't do justice. I'm evaluating further but so far the sound is much better than I expected. Thanks for your clip!

[MaxSynths]

I downloaded the demo just because of your clip. I must say the demo sounds don't do justice.

Yes my suggestion is to give it a try, put your hands on on it and try for yourself what Saurus can do...

[himalaya]

Haven't demo'd myself yet but judging purely from the demo sounds, I can't hear nothing analog whatsoever. The filters are a dead giveaway.
It doesn't mean it's a bad synth overall, just wrongly labelled. Just my 2c.

Try this. How does this one sound?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

Veerryy nice! I thought you tricked me using some real VA synth, so I downloaded the demo just because of your clip. I must say the demo sounds don't do justice. I'm evaluating further but so far the sound is much better than I expected. Thanks for your clip!

So you had a listen to Saurus in person?

If you are still here, what do you think of this clip?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... Sweep2.wav

[Bronto Scorpio]

Look at that thing! Looks like an unfinished experiment in additive synthesis...

Exactly my thoughts
I guess the competitor they took the sawtooth from was AD Phosphor or something

I especially love this part "Doing an accurate model of an analog filter with all details is very difficult. Only a long-year expert in digital signal processing with scientific knowledge is able to do this job properly.
The filters of competing products model no or only some aspects of the analog filter. They are only rough approximations - and that's why they will always sound more 'digital' and 'cold'."

Nice to know that Tone2 are the only ones with "scientific knowledge" and all other devs are just morons randomly typing on their keyboards until they get an useful algo

I've nothing against Tone2 but they should really think about that page again

Cheers
Dennis

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[himalaya]

At himalaya, that last demo almost pierce my eardrum. Grrrr.

Which one?

[ariston]

OK, here goes. Firstly, the hype surrounding this and then the result is just flabbergasting. I am almost going to suggest that Tone 2 should be ashamed of themselves. Having direct "digs" at the "competition" and then delivering a product that lives up to it's cpu claim, but does not sound at ALL, and i mean at ALL, ANALOG, is downright misleading.

Well, what are they supposed to say in their marketing brouhaha?

"Saurus - hell yeah, it's not as good as Diva, but close enough for those whose CPU doesn't quite make it. And it's aggressively priced, as well (here's lookin' at you, Sylenth)! Buy it, will ya, pretty please with chocolate frosting on top? We'll even tell you you're using a top of the line, cutting-edge product, developed by the finest nobel-laureate minds at CERN, if that will make you feel better about your purchase."

Got to agree, it's a nice sounding VA, nothing more and nothing less. Nothing we haven't heard before. If I were just starting out with nothing more than Poizone in my folder, I'd probably get it.

[hakey]

What do you think of the following clip? It's in mono. Your (and anyone else's) honest opinion:
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... b-mono.wav

Still non the wiser - what was this clip supposed to illustrate?

[himalaya]

I already explained that on page 63. I don't know what is difficult to understand here.

Here it is again:

Is there anything in particular we should be paying attention to?

Not really. I'm after opinion on how this sounds compared to that first Saurus example (where it's pitted against the Diva preset).

By the way. Don't look at the shape of the waveform in your host, just listen to the clip.

[Sampleconstruct]

Boooooooooorrrrrring!

[hakey]

I'm after opinion on how this sounds compared to that first Saurus example (where it's pitted against the Diva preset).

...and I gave an opinion, but I'm still none the wiser.

I presume you were trying to make a point - without further explanation, that point will remain a mystery to everyone but yourself.

[GeorgeZ]

||Not directed at anyone in particular, just my injection into a meandering dicussion [but I'm sure some will be ready for a personal attack by assuming it's directed at them... get over it!]||

This is complete bollocks. There are more analog synths than just a moog, and not all of them are wooly sounding [just my 2c on the supposed magical analog sound]. Many are sharper and brighter sounding. Andromeda anyone??

Next, they never mentioned any names, therefore any direct comparisons with X and Y based on what you think they were referring to is just an assumption, and nothing you say can change that.

At the end of the day no matter what the blurb says, it comes down to if you like Saurus' sound? Yes? Great. No? Great as well... but why such a massive public QQ about it... [an opinion is fine, but bleating on about it for the last 20 pages... c'mon] It won't change what the dev says about it, and I'm pretty sure it won't change what someone else hears.

People seem to take this type of thing way too seriously... chillax. Music's suppose to be fun! [ref. RP BLADE release thread... people were pissing and moaning in there as well till bloody kingdom come. It's pathetic really].


EDIT: Just read a bit back in the thread and realized I practically "replied" and wrote the opposite to what Theo said... not directed at you mate [specifically mentioning so there's no doubt ]

[ariston]

I'm after opinion on how this sounds compared to that first Saurus example (where it's pitted against the Diva preset).

...and I gave an opinion, but I'm still none the wiser.

I presume you were trying to make a point - without further explanation, that point will remain a mystery to everyone but yourself.

The point being: a great sound designer can make any instrument sound great.

Just thought I'd clarify.