RAPID Synthesizer | Rapid 1.8.0 released | Free "SP - Granular Elements"
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- KVRist
- 163 posts since 25 Jul, 2012
Is that HOT Manufacturer Vengeance Sound???? I was a BETA tester on that synth and they worked on every issue we found. Towards the end, all issues to my knowledge were fixed. They worked very long and hard - I cannot fault them or Avenger. It works like a dream on my setup.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but when they said it would be released it was...
Please don't take this the wrong way, but when they said it would be released it was...
parawave wrote:Nah, there is a difference between an update and a whole new platform. Give your thanks to apple for their stupid sandbox policy in Garageband and Logic X.gebz_15 wrote:I am getting a bit worried now. If it's taken this long to release the OS X version then how long will it take to do an update to fix any problems we may find along the way!
It's actually already working, but in contrast to another hot manufacturers, we obsessively test every function in detail before releasing stuff. I will actually try to release it this week. I hope everything works out!
@Soundbanks:
The next extension that is currently in the making will focus on more classic synth sounds, to provide a good alternative to the heavy EDM loaded XT Electronic Energy.
Of course I would like to see all kinds of genres in the future. If the development process cools down a bit, there will be more time to cooperate with a few good sound designers for highly requested genres.
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- KVRist
- 283 posts since 22 Sep, 2015
Of course there's a big difference. I mean common, Rapid is VST Win only - what could have gone wrong with this (besides the many missing features, the ui & the pricing)? Avenger covers things like hardware accelerated ui resizing & drawing (which seems to be the troublemaker), nearly full modular routings, wavetable & sampleimport, ... . Also there are likely far more customers using Avenger right now on many systems. There will always be bugs in some system constellations. One cannot compare the both in terms of bugs because Avenger just offers more features that could go wrong. And obviously they went wrong for some users.gebz_15 wrote:Is that HOT Manufacturer Vengeance Sound???? I was a BETA tester on that synth and they worked on every issue we found. Towards the end, all issues to my knowledge were fixed. They worked very long and hard - I cannot fault them or Avenger. It works like a dream on my setup.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but when they said it would be released it was...![]()
parawave wrote:Nah, there is a difference between an update and a whole new platform. Give your thanks to apple for their stupid sandbox policy in Garageband and Logic X.gebz_15 wrote:I am getting a bit worried now. If it's taken this long to release the OS X version then how long will it take to do an update to fix any problems we may find along the way!
It's actually already working, but in contrast to another hot manufacturers, we obsessively test every function in detail before releasing stuff. I will actually try to release it this week. I hope everything works out!
@Soundbanks:
The next extension that is currently in the making will focus on more classic synth sounds, to provide a good alternative to the heavy EDM loaded XT Electronic Energy.
Of course I would like to see all kinds of genres in the future. If the development process cools down a bit, there will be more time to cooperate with a few good sound designers for highly requested genres.
But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
- KVRist
- 345 posts since 4 Dec, 2004 from The Netherlands
It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
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- KVRAF
- 1944 posts since 25 Feb, 2005
+1 Making snide comments about other devs is not on, its a dick move.RichN wrote:It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 400 posts since 15 Mar, 2016 from Germany
Yes, of course, the new developer is the smug bad guy for criticizing an already established developer with a way bigger budget to release a bug plagued software. Seems fair.woodsdenis wrote:+1 Making snide comments about other devs is not on, its a dick move.RichN wrote:It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
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- KVRAF
- 1944 posts since 25 Feb, 2005
Are you for real ! Why comment at all, concentrate on your own products, and yes you come across as a smug asshole for taking pleasure in another devs issues no matter who they are, jeez.parawave wrote:Yes, of course, the new developer is the smug bad guy for criticizing an already established developer with a way bigger budget to release a bug plagued software. Seems fair.woodsdenis wrote:+1 Making snide comments about other devs is not on, its a dick move.RichN wrote:It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
Mac Studio M4
15.7.3
Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
15.7.3
Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
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- KVRAF
- 1944 posts since 25 Feb, 2005
Double post
Mac Studio M4
15.7.3
Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
15.7.3
Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 400 posts since 15 Mar, 2016 from Germany
I wouldn't mind if I haven't read comments like:woodsdenis wrote:Are you for real ! Why comment at all, concentrate on your own products, and yes you come across as a smug asshole for taking pleasure in another devs issues no matter who they are, jeez.parawave wrote:Yes, of course, the new developer is the smug bad guy for criticizing an already established developer with a way bigger budget to release a bug plagued software. Seems fair.woodsdenis wrote:+1 Making snide comments about other devs is not on, its a dick move.RichN wrote:It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
"Parawave is an unknown developer so I don't trust him, but I trust other known developers, even if they fail!"
"What, you don't even release a Mac Version? You must hate us!"
Not real comments though, but an excerpt of different opinions. If people constantly bring up the Mac question and compare Rapid with Avenger, I wanted to make clear that there is a reason for delaying a platform. And sometimes it's the better alternative. I respect my potential customers enough that I don't burden them with error prone stuff. Even if they have to wait longer for the release. Stating "Oh, I guess it can't be helped, there are always errors, just release it anyway!" is not the right decision.
If I can't state my criticism in a public forum, then why do you state you opinion here anyway? You don't have to answer, you don't seem neutral enough for a fair discussion, so back to topic.
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- KVRist
- 163 posts since 25 Jul, 2012
Wow! That escalated fast.
Fair comment from Parawave.
I am looking forward to the release, just really hope it's worth the wait. Also, being a similar price as Avenger it has quite a lot to prove. So lets hope it stands up to the challenge.
Fair comment from Parawave.
I am looking forward to the release, just really hope it's worth the wait. Also, being a similar price as Avenger it has quite a lot to prove. So lets hope it stands up to the challenge.
- KVRAF
- 2747 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
@parawave
I think Rapid is fantastic. Rock solid, great sounding, easy to program (you get great results every time). Also I'm looking forward to the coming features like importing wavetables and samples, which will make Rapid top notch! I have both Avenger and Rapid, and yes, Avenger is a little shaky at the moment, not always behaving the way I would like. If I had to choose one of them today, it would be Rapid, even if I believe Avenger is a little more "advanced", with better modulation possibilities. And yes, I think Avenger has a better looking GUI, but Rapid's is easier to navigate and understand, it's more straight forward.
It's true Vengeance is a well known developer, and Parawave is an rising star. I very much believe in your development of Rapid, you have made it easy for anyone to get great sounding results.
But...there is always a but. Even if there are a lot of comments that aren't fair (imo), like the lack of a Mac version, price (including the "early bird" pricing), you need not to get provoked. I think it's important for a new developer to be humble, even if they/he/she meet a lot of criticism. And it's extra important not to bring up other developer's flaws, better show your own strengths instead, otherwise you will get a bad reputation. Mentioning flaws of others (I'm sure your comment about Vengeance and Avenger was to be taken with a grain of salt, but irony easily gets lost on the internet) is more a work of a politician.
I think Rapid is fantastic. Rock solid, great sounding, easy to program (you get great results every time). Also I'm looking forward to the coming features like importing wavetables and samples, which will make Rapid top notch! I have both Avenger and Rapid, and yes, Avenger is a little shaky at the moment, not always behaving the way I would like. If I had to choose one of them today, it would be Rapid, even if I believe Avenger is a little more "advanced", with better modulation possibilities. And yes, I think Avenger has a better looking GUI, but Rapid's is easier to navigate and understand, it's more straight forward.
It's true Vengeance is a well known developer, and Parawave is an rising star. I very much believe in your development of Rapid, you have made it easy for anyone to get great sounding results.
But...there is always a but. Even if there are a lot of comments that aren't fair (imo), like the lack of a Mac version, price (including the "early bird" pricing), you need not to get provoked. I think it's important for a new developer to be humble, even if they/he/she meet a lot of criticism. And it's extra important not to bring up other developer's flaws, better show your own strengths instead, otherwise you will get a bad reputation. Mentioning flaws of others (I'm sure your comment about Vengeance and Avenger was to be taken with a grain of salt, but irony easily gets lost on the internet) is more a work of a politician.
Mac Mini M4 Pro | 14 Cores (10P/4E) | 48GB RAM | Studio One | Reason | Bitwig Studio | Logic Pro | FL Studio | Cubase Pro | Waveform | Reaper | Renoise | ~1000 VSTs/AUs | ~350 REs
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Who, in your opinion, doesn't do proper testing, and rushes out a release? Really, it's often more difficult than one would think. You have a complex piece of software (dunno if you ever coded something... even a website can get very complex, and that's not really comparable with C++ coding AFAIC), you do multi platform, have all sorts of beta testers testing it on all sorts of different hardware configurations, and still, there's thousands of people out there with other hardware, or installed software constellations. ESPECIALLY a synth like Avenger, which is very complex, will be prone to bugs. Also, audio software companies are not AAA game companies, which have a budget of tens, maybe hundreds of millions, it's all pretty small, and, i'm sure they all do their best to prevent stuff from happening, and will be keen on fixing issues, when the plugin is being released.izonin wrote:Rushing a release and selling buggy software will only hurt the developer. Proper testing is the wiser decision.
You know what amazes me? That all this stuff is actually working so well. Our DAW's are rock stable compared to other software, most plugins just work, and bugs are hard to be found. Our OS's get more and more complex, and yet, they work fine, and bug free for the most part of it. THAT's what amazes me, not the amount of issues we find. I can only imagine what a tedious, and hard work it has to be, to get software that bug free, and stable. Of course, it's annoying when you run into issues with your new, shiny hundreds of € software, but, frankly, the early adopters also have to consider what they are doing there, especially in a business where devs can't shell out tens of thousands to test their software.
- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
parawave wrote:I wouldn't mind if I haven't read comments like:woodsdenis wrote:Are you for real ! Why comment at all, concentrate on your own products, and yes you come across as a smug asshole for taking pleasure in another devs issues no matter who they are, jeez.parawave wrote:Yes, of course, the new developer is the smug bad guy for criticizing an already established developer with a way bigger budget to release a bug plagued software. Seems fair.woodsdenis wrote:+1 Making snide comments about other devs is not on, its a dick move.RichN wrote:It better be bug free, given their smug comments about Vengeance Sound.Soundplex wrote: But I'm looking forward to the new Rapid release. I doubt it will be bug free too since osx is a b**ch
"Parawave is an unknown developer so I don't trust him, but I trust other known developers, even if they fail!"
"What, you don't even release a Mac Version? You must hate us!"
Not real comments though, but an excerpt of different opinions. If people constantly bring up the Mac question and compare Rapid with Avenger, I wanted to make clear that there is a reason for delaying a platform. And sometimes it's the better alternative. I respect my potential customers enough that I don't burden them with error prone stuff. Even if they have to wait longer for the release. Stating "Oh, I guess it can't be helped, there are always errors, just release it anyway!" is not the right decision.
If I can't state my criticism in a public forum, then why do you state you opinion here anyway? You don't have to answer, you don't seem neutral enough for a fair discussion, so back to topic.
yes right! It's OK for almost everyone on KVR to slam you but you say one thing and your a jerk. This place never ceases to amaze me.
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"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
