I'm looking for an effect plugin that can take a rather sine-like sound like a flute, a theremin or a human voice and complexify the sound by resynthesizing it to have customized harmonic overtones.
I've used Wavechanger2 & RingMod2 on theremin and I've run vocals through Alesis AirFx to use them as lead sounds & I've been looking for a way to broaden the tonal palette of sine-like sounds to use as tripped out lead/solo intruments.
I can imagine taking this further to semi-emulate instruments that have a known harmonic overtone series.
It's something I'm looking for in my quest to use these things as lead instruments live. I'm a woodwind player but that doesn't much help when it comes to laptop/human interface.
I've used TheModulator, The Mangling Box & gotten to play around with Kantos and Alien Voice. Is there something more like DoppelMangler or Cameleon as a VST effect? Would such a thing have a prohibative latency?
Because I want it to be able to track fast for soloing.
Can someone recommend an effect that adds harmonic partials?
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- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
A resonator sounds like what you are looking for. Try ohmygod. It's free and can use midi to select the overtones.
Short of that a ring modulator like mda's would add a fixed tone.
Short of that a ring modulator like mda's would add a fixed tone.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
FM seems to work better than RM but I haven't found anything that I can create a lot of presets with variety with.
I do use comb filters and eek in the wet/dry ratio for a completely different effect but it sounds nothing like what I'm obviously not describing well with words here.
Why on earth do I make these queries when it's late at night here?
I do use comb filters and eek in the wet/dry ratio for a completely different effect but it sounds nothing like what I'm obviously not describing well with words here.
Why on earth do I make these queries when it's late at night here?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
Hmm I've never considered that... which is odd since I sing using my X25 to control Dfx's Buffer to control wet/dry + the x/y matrix. I'll have to try that.
Once again Jack comes to my rescue today.
Once again Jack comes to my rescue today.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
You might be thinking of something like:
http://www.yohng.com/mb.html
In the list, check out Auxiter and Sand Brush.
Greg
http://www.yohng.com/mb.html
In the list, check out Auxiter and Sand Brush.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
No, unforunately, that's not it at all.Lunch Money wrote:You might be thinking of something like:
http://www.yohng.com/mb.html
In the list, check out Auxiter and Sand Brush.
Greg
The human voice, theremins & flute lack complex overtone series so there's no use to exciting them.
This might be what makes me finally break down and learn SE.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I understand your point, but neither of those plug-ins actually simply "excite" existing material. They both generate "new" harmonic content.
However, upon re-reading your post, I can see that you're more likely to want something in-your-face and bold, which I'm not sure these will accomplish. If either of them could help, it'd be Sand Brush, and since there's a demo I say give it a try.
Greg
However, upon re-reading your post, I can see that you're more likely to want something in-your-face and bold, which I'm not sure these will accomplish. If either of them could help, it'd be Sand Brush, and since there's a demo I say give it a try.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 37520 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
Sandbrush has too much fixed latency anyways.
I know this from seeing someone try to load it in Forte I think it was. It got pissed off and stated the latency.
Vokator I've never heard but I know vocoding (I use it all the time on non-voice audio) but that's not what I'm after either because I am purposefully trying not to use the keyboard just the expression controllers I have set up. Lemme see if I can dig up audio of what I used to do. It's like dancing about architecture, but less interesting.
Good suggestions so far though. I am starting to think that my initial request doesn't exist but that someone's going to come up with a different idea. Trust me I appreciate it - I've got about 100 weird presets of fx chains of various sorts that are the fruits of my odd labor.
I know this from seeing someone try to load it in Forte I think it was. It got pissed off and stated the latency.
Vokator I've never heard but I know vocoding (I use it all the time on non-voice audio) but that's not what I'm after either because I am purposefully trying not to use the keyboard just the expression controllers I have set up. Lemme see if I can dig up audio of what I used to do. It's like dancing about architecture, but less interesting.
Good suggestions so far though. I am starting to think that my initial request doesn't exist but that someone's going to come up with a different idea. Trust me I appreciate it - I've got about 100 weird presets of fx chains of various sorts that are the fruits of my odd labor.
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- KVRAF
- 37520 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
No Vokator isn't a tradtional Vocoder - it uses FFT to break down the sound into 1024 bands and works as a synth with granular synthesis as well as an effect. It's certainly good for making sounds more harmonically complex.runagate wrote:Sandbrush has too much fixed latency anyways.
I know this from seeing someone try to load it in Forte I think it was. It got pissed off and stated the latency.
Vokator I've never heard but I know vocoding (I use it all the time on non-voice audio) but that's not what I'm after either because I am purposefully trying not to use the keyboard just the expression controllers I have set up. Lemme see if I can dig up audio of what I used to do. It's like dancing about architecture, but less interesting.
Good suggestions so far though. I am starting to think that my initial request doesn't exist but that someone's going to come up with a different idea. Trust me I appreciate it - I've got about 100 weird presets of fx chains of various sorts that are the fruits of my odd labor.
http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... ctsline_us
Also check out Spektral Delay on the same page - again this is far more than a delay effect - it breaks the sound down and re-organises it in realtime.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Effective resynthesis in realtime isn't likely to happen, or at least not the way you're looking for. The only way to accomplish it effectively and with good sound quality (OK, I can't say that for sure, not being a coder, but from my understanding from working alongside DSP coders) is to use an FFT, which ALWAYS introduces a fixed delay.
You can always apply such effects after the realtime recording.
At that point in time, your host will automatically adjust for the fixed latency and play everything back in sync.
I'm not sure that anything you could create with SE would be latency-free, either.
For the kinds of sounds it SEEMS like you're going for, though, aMUSEd's suggestion is probably the better one.
You can always apply such effects after the realtime recording.
At that point in time, your host will automatically adjust for the fixed latency and play everything back in sync.I'm not sure that anything you could create with SE would be latency-free, either.
For the kinds of sounds it SEEMS like you're going for, though, aMUSEd's suggestion is probably the better one.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
I listened to Vokator's demo song ($339 USD? yikes) and that's sort of what I'm trying to overcome - I make sounds like that: diffuse & ambient, which I like, but I'm looking for a lead sound. I found the audio I was looking for I'll try to get it up in this post.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It's always tricky when realtime is one of the goals. 
By all means, though, if you find a sample, I'm sure some folks on here would like to try to help find what you need.
Greg
By all means, though, if you find a sample, I'm sure some folks on here would like to try to help find what you need.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 37520 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
You can make some great lead sounds for it - I made some presets I should post at some point for this baby - a few are guitar leads that I love as well as some mashed up piano and voices.