Novation V-Station question

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Leslie Sanford
KVRAF
1608 posts since 4 Dec, 2006

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:57 am

Hi all,

I've been programming some patches with the Novation V-Station, v2.3.

I'm struggling to figure out how I can copy my programs from one location to another. When I began messing around with it, I chose "User 498" randomly and began programming, thinking I could save my program file and reload it wherever I wanted to later. But it seems that the location of the program is saved with the data, because when I reload it, regardless of the current location, it goes back to 498.

Ok, so I'll just write it to another location. I've read the manual on how to do this, but after selecting 'Write' and then changing to another program location and pressing 'Confirm' (twice), the program isn't overwritten with the desired program (but is maybe overwritten with itself, I dunno).

At any rate, any help will be appreciated.

BDeep
KVRAF
2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:00 am

You could just bypass Vstation's weird preset system by saving the presets in your DAWs native format :)
Most DAWs that I know of have a way of saving presets anyway.

Leslie Sanford
KVRAF

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1608 posts since 4 Dec, 2006

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:05 am

BDeep wrote:You could just bypass Vstation's weird preset system by saving the presets in your DAWs native format :)
Most DAWs that I know of have a way of saving presets anyway.
Hi, thanks. My problem is that I'd like to copy my current program to a new location in order to use it as a basis for a new program. Then send bank/program change messages to the V-Station to switch between the programs. But it seems that the program number is saved along with it, so I can't move/copy it to another location.

BDeep
KVRAF
2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:12 pm

Yeah, I see what you want to achieve now. I just tried it a bit, and can't get it to work either. Basically, although the manual suggests you can write from one location to another, really you can't. Tried the Bass Station as well, same results, ie didn't work either.
So the only way to go about this is to start with the new preset number, and dial everything in again... Weird.

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layzer
KVRAF
7702 posts since 11 Jun, 2006

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:02 pm

hi Mr. Sanford! love your plugins! esp basstightner, a permanent plug on my master mixbus :)
anyway, i think the fact that v-station also handles sysex patches has to do with the loopy patch system.
i just save individual fxp patches and load them back in, tweak them and resave as fxp with a new name.
sorry cant be of more help. :shrug:
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
22165 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:40 pm

Seems like a bug in V-Station. When you press Write, and then use Program up/down buttons to select another memory location, it actually goes and switches presets, when it shouldn't do that.

BDeep
KVRAF
2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:32 pm

Exactly, maybe on the hardware you had to hold the write button while selecting another preset slot?

Leslie Sanford
KVRAF

Topic Starter

1608 posts since 4 Dec, 2006

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:15 pm

BDeep wrote:Yeah, I see what you want to achieve now. I just tried it a bit, and can't get it to work either.
Hi, BDeep. Thanks for confirming this. I'm going to assume it's a bug at this point and not user error on my part. :) I'll drop by the Novation site and see if there's a way to report this.

Leslie Sanford
KVRAF

Topic Starter

1608 posts since 4 Dec, 2006

Post Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:00 pm

layzer wrote:hi Mr. Sanford! love your plugins! esp basstightner, a permanent plug on my master mixbus :)
Hi, layzer. Thanks for your kind words. It's great to know those plugins are getting some use. :)

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
22165 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:20 am

You can contact Novation, but the last time I mentioned them V-Station has mousing bugs with bipolar controls, they said "we'll fix it"... that was about a year ago... :/

Shabdahbriah
KVRAF
7647 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle

Post Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:26 am

EvilDragon wrote:You can contact Novation, but the last time I mentioned them V-Station has mousing bugs with bipolar controls, they said "we'll fix it"... that was about a year ago... :/
Indeed. I know I'm not the only one to have sent the "preset saving bug" to them ages ago. I moved on, and continue to just save as FXP, within Chainer, or Cantabile, etc. Love V-Stations sound.
I'm not a musician, but I've designed sounds that others use to make music. http://soundcloud.com/obsidiananvil

bburtin
KVRist
189 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Mountain View, CA

Post Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:14 pm

I just hit this bug too. Was anyone able to work around it by using the host's fxp saving feature? When I save and load an .fxp file in my host, I get the same behavior. For example, if I save preset 300 to an .fxp file, select preset 301, then load the .fxp, V-Station automatically switches to 300 and 301 stays the same. I see this in Tracktion and SAVIHost.

bburtin
KVRist
189 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Mountain View, CA

Post Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:42 am

I filed an issue with Novation tech support last month. They acknowledged that it's a bug, but haven't committed to a fix. I encourage other V-Station users to do the same thing. Maybe if enough of us complain, they'll actually fix it?

chk071
KVRAF
30718 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:46 am

Alongside the many other bugs present in version 2.3? Well, that would be a surprise. :) On the other hand, i don't know any other company still supporting such an old soft synth. For now, i figure it's best to use the older version 1.7, if you're on a 32-bit DAW. If not, that won't be an option of course, and you'll have to use the new version, and accept that there are bugs., and try to work around them.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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fmr
KVRAF
10703 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:58 am

chk071 wrote:Alongside the many other bugs present in version 2.3? Well, that would be a surprise. :) On the other hand, i don't know any other company still supporting such an old soft synth. For now, i figure it's best to use the older version 1.7, if you're on a 32-bit DAW. If not, that won't be an option of course, and you'll have to use the new version, and accept that there are bugs., and try to work around them.
Or program the sounds in the older version (in 32-bit) and then use them with the new version (in 64-bit). I didn't try, but I presume the patch location is the same (?).
Fernando (FMR)

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