Cutting clips in the Bitwig arranger

[Anatolio]

Hello, please tell me, I thought that I would cut the midi clip into 2 parts, I would get 2 INDEPENDENT clips, but I found that if, after cutting, the left clip is compressed in size, then this action will affect the right clip as well - a ragged border of the note section appears in the note editor, and the right part of the note of the right clip becomes translucent It's like it's on a mute, but it's playing. At the same time, it disappears from the clip in the arranger (not visible in the preview). Is this normal, or is it a bug? in particular, why does changing the size of one of the clips affect the notes in the other clip? Why is the note playing, but not visible on the preview clip in the arranger. To explain the logic of what is happening, I am grateful to you in advance.

[Dionysos]

Hello, please tell me, I thought that I would cut the midi clip into 2 parts, I would get 2 INDEPENDENT clips

You are correct, and you did in fact get two independent clips. But because you cut the clip right in the middle of a long note, that note is present in both clips.

The following hints might help you understand what's going on:

• Your note editor is in "track" mode, so it displays the contents of both clips rather than just one. (Check the vertical tab bar on the left-hand side of the editor if you want to change to "clip" mode where just a single clip at a time is shown.)
• In the second clip, the "Note on" event of the split note is outside of that clip's boundaries, so if you play that clip by itself in the arranger (e.g. by muting the first clip), it will not play. That's why the note becomes invisible in the arranger as soon as you "disconnect" the clips.
• However, if both clips play in sequence, the two notes act like one seamless note. This is very useful if you want to create seamlessly looping clips with notes that span the loop boundary.

If this confuses you, you can just delete the note in the second clip and go about your day.

Btw, there's also a Bitwig subforum on KVR.

[Anatolio]

Hello, please tell me, I thought that I would cut the midi clip into 2 parts, I would get 2 INDEPENDENT clips

You are correct, and you did in fact get two independent clips. But because you cut the clip right in the middle of a long note, that note is present in both clips.

The following hints might help you understand what's going on:

• Your note editor is in "track" mode, so it displays the contents of both clips rather than just one. (Check the vertical tab bar on the left-hand side of the editor if you want to change to "clip" mode where just a single clip at a time is shown.)
• In the second clip, the "Note on" event of the split note is outside of that clip's boundaries, so if you play that clip by itself in the arranger (e.g. by muting the first clip), it will not play. That's why the note becomes invisible in the arranger as soon as you "disconnect" the clips.
• However, if both clips play in sequence, the two notes act like one seamless note. This is very useful if you want to create seamlessly looping clips with notes that span the loop boundary.

If this confuses you, you can just delete the note in the second clip and go about your day.

Btw, there's also a Bitwig subforum on KVR.

Thank you for your reply. now the logic is clear. "Delete a note in the second clip if it's inconvenient for you" is an inconvenient trick when you cut a midi clip in several places and then compress all the resulting clips to create gaps between clips. In this case, the first note disappears in every second clip. It's just that here, in the topic, for simplicity of the situation, I described the case of dividing the clip into only 2 parts.

The clip mode -yes, of course I know about it, and what I saw there drove me crazy.The playback marker in the second clip included a cut note being played, but it was not displayed in the preview clip in the arranger. I thought it was a bug. But in track mode, this note was translucent and it became clear that this was the logic..

Well, I'll know...

[Dionysos]

"Delete a note in the second clip if it's inconvenient for you" is an inconvenient trick when you cut a midi clip in several places and then compress all the resulting clips to create gaps between clips. In this case, the first note disappears in every second clip.

What's not become clear to me yet is what your expected/preferred outcome and your use case is. Do you want the second half of the split note to exist as a new standalone note, or do you want it to disappear entirely? It sounds a bit like you're looking for the former, in which case I think that's not something you can easily achieve by editing the clip in the arranger in Bitwig. If you're looking for a shortcut to remove notes that are not being displayed in the arranger, you could try consolidating the individual clips (Cmd + J by default), though I'm not 100% sure this will do the trick.

[pdxindy]

Thank you for your reply. now the logic is clear. "Delete a note in the second clip if it's inconvenient for you" is an inconvenient trick when you cut a midi clip in several places and then compress all the resulting clips to create gaps between clips. In this case, the first note disappears in every second clip. It's just that here, in the topic, for simplicity of the situation, I described the case of dividing the clip into only 2 parts.

The clip mode -yes, of course I know about it, and what I saw there drove me crazy.The playback marker in the second clip included a cut note being played, but it was not displayed in the preview clip in the arranger. I thought it was a bug. But in track mode, this note was translucent and it became clear that this was the logic..

Well, I'll know...

In the situation of long notes, cutting clips in Bitwig is a mess. There's no option to split the clip and also split the notes. Split the clip with long notes in multiple places and you still see all the notes across the split clip. Delete one short piece (or drag clip edge like you did), and the visual notes in the later clip disappear. None of the following clips will play even with note chase on. Consolidate does nothing. It's bizarre.

The way I deal with a cutting up a clip with long notes... I open the clip in the editor. I select the time tool (2 key) select a time ( click in the note area, not the clip bar) use Cmd-E to split all the notes, repeat as needed. Then use the knife tool on the clip header to split the clip on the same place(s)

[Anatolio]

"Delete a note in the second clip if it's inconvenient for you" is an inconvenient trick when you cut a midi clip in several places and then compress all the resulting clips to create gaps between clips. In this case, the first note disappears in every second clip.

What's not become clear to me yet is what your expected/preferred outcome and your use case is. Do you want the second half of the split note to exist as a new standalone note, or do you want it to disappear entirely? It sounds a bit like you're looking for the former, in which case I think that's not something you can easily achieve by editing the clip in the arranger in Bitwig. If you're looking for a shortcut to remove notes that are not being displayed in the arranger, you could try consolidating the individual clips (Cmd + J by default), though I'm not 100% sure this will do the trick.

I was not looking for the disappearance of the note in the second clip after the split. I wanted to split the clip into several completely unrelated parts, even if the separation had to be on a note, because in this case (I thought) I would be able to get an intermittent sound..But to get it, I started shifting the clips, adding gaps between the clips, and at that moment every first note in every second clip disappeared.

[Anatolio]

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In the situation of long notes, cutting clips in Bitwig is a mess. There's no option to split the clip and also split the notes. Split the clip with long notes in multiple places and you still see all the notes across the split clip. Delete one short piece (or drag clip edge like you did), and the visual notes in the later clip disappear. None of the following clips will play even with note chase on. Consolidate does nothing. It's bizarre.

The way I deal with a cutting up a clip with long notes... I open the clip in the editor. I select the time tool (2 key) select a time ( click in the note area, not the clip bar) use Cmd-E to split all the notes, repeat as needed. Then use the knife tool on the clip header to split the clip on the same place(s)

Yes, Bitwig's logic in the matter of splitting clips seems strange. And I don't see any advantages in it at the moment, except for inconvenience and confusion. And yes, it turns out the only working way is to divide the clip at the level of the note editor.