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DJErmac
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1070 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm

I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.

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3065 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:13 am

Couldn't resit the 80s pack in the end. Great fun. Astonishingly close so much of this, a labour of love - kudos to your programming chops.
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Demuvi
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214 posts since 20 Jan, 2019 from Germany

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm

DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
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DJErmac
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1070 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:47 pm

Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
Yes, I'm talking about the one that can be heard solo at the end. It sounds a lot like some classic choirs from the Fairlight, or even from EMU soundbanks, but something is always missing, and I never found what. Sorry, can't tell anything more.

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Demuvi
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214 posts since 20 Jan, 2019 from Germany

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:29 pm

DJErmac wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:47 pm
Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
Yes, I'm talking about the one that can be heard solo at the end. It sounds a lot like some classic choirs from the Fairlight, or even from EMU soundbanks, but something is always missing, and I never found what. Sorry, can't tell anything more.
https://youtu.be/NTmShx49pFE
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DJErmac
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1070 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:43 pm

Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:29 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:47 pm
Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
Yes, I'm talking about the one that can be heard solo at the end. It sounds a lot like some classic choirs from the Fairlight, or even from EMU soundbanks, but something is always missing, and I never found what. Sorry, can't tell anything more.
https://youtu.be/NTmShx49pFE
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DJErmac
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1070 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:04 pm

BTW is the famous "Yves Deruyter - The Rebel" on your to-do list ? This kind of synth lead sound has been overused in the 90's, notably in hardcore, and I love it. Sounds like Alpha Juno to me.

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msvs
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1863 posts since 18 Apr, 2011

Post Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:38 pm

Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:29 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:47 pm
Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
Yes, I'm talking about the one that can be heard solo at the end. It sounds a lot like some classic choirs from the Fairlight, or even from EMU soundbanks, but something is always missing, and I never found what. Sorry, can't tell anything more.
https://youtu.be/NTmShx49pFE
haha no wonder, you played around 350 oscs simultaneously in the video... thats when you do multiple layers of multiple unisono stacks. But the result is cool! I think its a good solution to provide the source synthesis patch along with the multisamples patch, so the user can do adjustments or experiments with the source, while using the cpu efficent sample patch when CPU matters and no absolute freedom of changes
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Demuvi
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214 posts since 20 Jan, 2019 from Germany

Post Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:40 pm

msvs wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:38 pm
Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:29 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:47 pm
Demuvi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:11 pm
I'd love to hear a "Scooter - Friends" sounds recreation. Never really understood how they made the lead based on voices.
If you mean that one at the end of the song... It's a choir sound. really simple as single sound but they played it in chords + bass note.
To rebuild it, i would need to know what kind of synth they used for it to rebuild the single sound.
Yes, I'm talking about the one that can be heard solo at the end. It sounds a lot like some classic choirs from the Fairlight, or even from EMU soundbanks, but something is always missing, and I never found what. Sorry, can't tell anything more.
https://youtu.be/NTmShx49pFE
haha no wonder, you played around 350 oscs simultaneously in the video... thats when you do multiple layers of multiple unisono stacks. But the result is cool! I think its a good solution to provide the source synthesis patch along with the multisamples patch, so the user can do adjustments or experiments with the source, while using the cpu efficent sample patch when CPU matters and no absolute freedom of changes
The video was not meant to bad-mouth Avenger. It should break down the question of why sometimes a multisample is simply better and why i used multisamples. The exported multisamples were also imported by Wavelab's resynthesis function to make the whole thing even softer.

Of Course too many voices need a lot of CPU. It's the same with any other synth. I do not think that I should include the origins of the sounds, especially since I have simply created some with other VST such as: Serum or Rapid, because each synth has its advantages and disadvantages.

This is an expansion to have fun and spread retro feelings to the people. :)
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5Lives
KVRian
560 posts since 10 Nov, 2005 from New York City

Post Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:34 pm

Interesting competition now that Rapid has granular synthesis. Going to take the demo for a spin and see how it compares to my Avenger. Anybody else tried it out?

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Demuvi
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214 posts since 20 Jan, 2019 from Germany

Post Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:03 pm

5Lives wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Interesting competition now that Rapid has granular synthesis. Going to take the demo for a spin and see how it compares to my Avenger. Anybody else tried it out?
Yeah i have it. Sounds good and you can do good Ambient Pads with it and other interesting sounds.
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zvenx
KVRAF
8341 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:21 pm

Hi,
There is a patch in the factory bank called PL Wild Safari.
It seems to play 'strange' on my system. By that I mean, that I favourited it, which would have happened when I got Avenger at 1.4..... but currently without turning any of the macro knobs the patch is mostly a short click, with little tonal information. Would have been odd for me to have favourited if it sounded like this in 1.4. Does anyone still have 1.4 installed and play the patch and see if it sounds anything like this?



https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjl5fgiphmbzc ... i.mp3?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m6hxtl6xf0on ... .midi?dl=0

(if for whatever reason you needed the midi pattern.... but playing one note a few times should tell you if this is normal.)

thanks in advance

rsp
sound sculptist

5Lives
KVRian
560 posts since 10 Nov, 2005 from New York City

Post Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:46 pm

Demuvi wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:03 pm
5Lives wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Interesting competition now that Rapid has granular synthesis. Going to take the demo for a spin and see how it compares to my Avenger. Anybody else tried it out?
Yeah i have it. Sounds good and you can do good Ambient Pads with it and other interesting sounds.
May not see it, but seems like Rapid doesn't have MSEGs yet (on their future roadmap). I use those a bunch.

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msvs
KVRAF
1863 posts since 18 Apr, 2011

Post Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:04 am

zvenx wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:21 pm
Hi,
There is a patch in the factory bank called PL Wild Safari.
It seems to play 'strange' on my system. By that I mean, that I favourited it, which would have happened when I got Avenger at 1.4..... but currently without turning any of the macro knobs the patch is mostly a short click, with little tonal information. Would have been odd for me to have favourited if it sounded like this in 1.4. Does anyone still have 1.4 installed and play the patch and see if it sounds anything like this?



https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjl5fgiphmbzc ... i.mp3?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m6hxtl6xf0on ... .midi?dl=0

(if for whatever reason you needed the midi pattern.... but playing one note a few times should tell you if this is normal.)

thanks in advance

rsp
I can confirm that the sound already sound the same with any previous version. Its supposed to be a very short "popcorn"-like pluck, and works also well in drumtracks to bring a tonal percussive element
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zvenx
KVRAF
8341 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:06 am

msvs wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:04 am
zvenx wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:21 pm
............
thanks in advance

rsp
I can confirm that the sound already sound the same with any previous version. Its supposed to be a very short "popcorn"-like pluck, and works also well in drumtracks to bring a tonal percussive element
Ahhh.
Thanks Manuel.
Appreciated.
rsp
sound sculptist

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