What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

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agharta
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169 posts since 10 Jan, 2018

Post Wed May 15, 2019 12:26 pm

I've had a soft spot for Physical Modelling (PM) since the Yamaha VL hardware series of the last century.
I have a few Applied Acoustics Systems VSTs which I like but they have chosen not to offer a single VST that encompasses all of their tech but split it into individual products.
This week I came across Melda's MSoundFactory which includes PM as well as MPE support so it got my attention as I have a few MPE compatible controllers. I've had a quick look at the beta but it will take time to get my head around it as it's not the most intuitive software to me.

So any recommendations for Physical Modelling VSTs regardless of MPE support?

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CrystalWizard
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 12:43 pm

Originally AAS offered Tassman with did include most of their tech. Even now it being multiple piece the sell it as a budle on sale often.
It’s a hybrid but Kaivo is super.
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gentleclockdivider
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 12:49 pm

MSF has a modal bank/filter and a karplus strong resonator , the modal bank only has 32 partial ( which are essentialy band passs filters )
Same can be found in reaktor ( primary modules ) the modal bank an partial bank is reaktor can go up to 10000 parials ...so lot's more of options there >
If you have reaktor , I created the ensemble just for you ,here I only used 32 /64 partials
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7735/

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agharta
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 12:53 pm

CrystalWizard wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:43 pm
Originally AAS offered Tassman with did include most of their tech. Even now it being multiple piece the sell it as a budle on sale often.
It’s a hybrid but Kaivo is super.
Thanks. They discontinued Tassman possibly because it was too old and they didn't think it feasible to update it?
I had the Bundle but want something that is all encompassing rather than split into separate products.
I'm checking out Kaivo as I type and the first impression is good.
Being hybrid is a bonus as long as Physical Modelling is deep. :tu:

agharta
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:00 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:49 pm
MSF has a modal bank/filter and a karplus strong resonator , the modal bank only has 32 partial ( which are essentialy band passs filters )
Same can be found in reaktor ( primary modules ) the modal bank an partial bank is reaktor can go up to 10000 parials ...so lot's more of options there >
If you have reaktor , I created the ensemble just for you ,here I only used 32 /64 partials
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7735/
Thanks. Downloading right now and will look into it.
I do have Reaktor 5 Full but haven't given it much attention.

agharta
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm

What's the situation with Max 8 and Physical Modelling?
I'm quite drawn to Max 8 (stand alone version) anyway plus it has MPE support so are there any good PM synths built with that?

Steve1974
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72 posts since 13 Sep, 2014 from Moscow, Russia

Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 pm

NI Prism (Reaktor instrument).
2 types of exciter: noise and impulse, modal bank, feedback, partial manipulation, ring-mod etc..
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pdxindy
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15455 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

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Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Logics Sculpture is an excellent PM synth and it supports MPE. Worth the cost of Logic just for Sculpture.

Kaivo is gorgeous sounding and MPE capable. The pitch bends sound especially realistic.

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aMUSEd
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30791 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

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Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:18 pm

AAS Chromaphone is surprisingly versatile - it's sold as a percussion synth but you can get great plucked, scraped and bowed sounds from it as well and with a bit of effort also blown sounds.

agharta
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169 posts since 10 Jan, 2018

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Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:20 pm

Thanks All, that's a lot to get my head around.
I have Prism as part of Komplete but never looked at it but just loaded it into Reaper.
I am Windows only so Sculpture is no use.

agharta
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Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:33 pm

Been demoing the Prism presets and they are so drenched in reverb and to a lesser extent delay that it is hard to really hear the underlying sound; will need to persevere.
aMUSEd wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:18 pm
AAS Chromaphone is surprisingly versatile - it's sold as a percussion synth but you can get great plucked, scraped and bowed sounds from it as well and with a bit of effort also blown sounds.
I have it and like it and I know what you mean. I'd like something more expansive though that isn't trying to limit you and with MPE support. I haven't checked recently but don't think AAS support MPE?

deastman
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Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:35 pm

The Audiomodeling instruments are MPE compatible and the most impressive realistic emulations I’ve used. Yes, I understand that they are partially sample based, but also physically modeled.
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agharta
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Re: What's the state of Physical Modelling VSTs in 2019? MPE support a bonus.

Post Wed May 15, 2019 1:51 pm

deastman wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:35 pm
The Audiomodeling instruments are MPE compatible and the most impressive realistic emulations I’ve used. Yes, I understand that they are partially sample based, but also physically modeled.
Thanks, very interesting. They seem more focused on emulation whereas as I'm looking for something less focused which uses PM as more of a pure synthesis technique.
Similar to AAS they have broken down their range into individual instruments which is not what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for a general purpose PM instrument with MPE support.

secretkillerofnames
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576 posts since 9 Jul, 2012

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Post Wed May 15, 2019 4:18 pm

I can't honestly say if it is exactly physical modelling but there are tons of patches in Cypher 2 that have realistic modeled sounds especially with MPE.

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pdxindy
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Post Wed May 15, 2019 6:18 pm

Zebra is not a PM synth, but with the huge range of tools and especially the comb modules, you can make some lovely organic emulations. Not MPE capable.

Kaivo has exceptional sound quality. Heavy on the cpu but you really get something for it.

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