Secondary Dominants
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 32 posts since 17 Jun, 2021
I am quite new to RC, therefore maybe my question is simple:
Lets assume I have already a chordprogression.
To make it more interesting I want to substitute a few chords in the progression, by using the secondary domonant of some chord in a different scale/mode.
Something demoed from 4:35min here: https://youtu.be/oYdVatW7t1Y
Question: Is there a smart support to find the secondary dominant for a NEXT chord in the existing progression?
As far as I understand RCs chord logic focusses on what comes BEFORE the chord suggested.
Lets assume I have already a chordprogression.
To make it more interesting I want to substitute a few chords in the progression, by using the secondary domonant of some chord in a different scale/mode.
Something demoed from 4:35min here: https://youtu.be/oYdVatW7t1Y
Question: Is there a smart support to find the secondary dominant for a NEXT chord in the existing progression?
As far as I understand RCs chord logic focusses on what comes BEFORE the chord suggested.
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- KVRAF
- 5436 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
Hi Cliff,
good question! I added this small feature today.
In the next update (v4.2.1 on Monday) you will find this among the suggestions:
I could not find a better place so the suggestion will be part of 'Chord Substitutions'.
Thanks,
Attila
good question! I added this small feature today.
In the next update (v4.2.1 on Monday) you will find this among the suggestions:
I could not find a better place so the suggestion will be part of 'Chord Substitutions'.
Thanks,
Attila
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- KVRAF
- 5436 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
Thank you, lulukom!
Not just bug fixes, but there are also small features in the next update, based on the feedback I received after v4.2:
Attila
Not just bug fixes, but there are also small features in the next update, based on the feedback I received after v4.2:
- Keyboard left-right arrows move notes and phrases by 'snap' setting
- Preview implemented when moving notes with the arrow keys (note editing mode)
- Fixed: Alt/Option-click to split or join notes did not work in note editing
- States are stored for 'undo' during note editing
- New MIDI Export setting: Embed 'Program Change' events in exported MIDI
- New chord suggestion: secondary dominant for the next 'I' chord
- Fixed: VSTi instruments unloaded for 'undo' if 'Save VSTi State In History' was turned off
- Fixed: invalid control number inserted to exported MIDI for some soundfonts
- [Plug-ins] Fixed: first note of the loop sometimes did not play back in some hosts
- [Plug-ins] Fixed rare crash when right-clicking on a phrase to open the inspector during playback
Attila
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 32 posts since 17 Jun, 2021
Dear Attila,
I really enjoy your software, while still feeling humble with all its features.
I am even more excited that you act so fast to new user ideas.
Really great. Please keep the good work.
I hope for a long lasting experience with RC and future versions.
BTW Although I wont make friends with discussion community, talking about sustainability.
I personally believe you could sell RC at higher price or with another pricing model.
I really enjoy your software, while still feeling humble with all its features.
I am even more excited that you act so fast to new user ideas.
Really great. Please keep the good work.
I hope for a long lasting experience with RC and future versions.
BTW Although I wont make friends with discussion community, talking about sustainability.
I personally believe you could sell RC at higher price or with another pricing model.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 32 posts since 17 Jun, 2021
Dear Attila,
Just to clarify...
Is the feature “New chord suggestion: secondary dominant for the next 'I' chord” limited to I cord in same scale only? Would this not always trivially mean V cord in same scale/mode?
The idea I raised to integrate into RC is really more to find the V once the next cord is interpreted as I in a different scale/mode.
But I am sure I misinterprete your description.
Just to clarify...
Is the feature “New chord suggestion: secondary dominant for the next 'I' chord” limited to I cord in same scale only? Would this not always trivially mean V cord in same scale/mode?
The idea I raised to integrate into RC is really more to find the V once the next cord is interpreted as I in a different scale/mode.
But I am sure I misinterprete your description.
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- KVRAF
- 1857 posts since 15 May, 2017
Just curious, so, you would want to find all the secondary dominates starting from a scale? Example, C major secondary dominate is G7, which itself (G7) has a secondary dominate of D, but, D is not in the C scale itself.
kind of cool, really.. you would be modulating to a new scale which is connected, and not just some arbitrary key change..
kind of cool, really.. you would be modulating to a new scale which is connected, and not just some arbitrary key change..
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- KVRAF
- 5436 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
Hi Cliff,
no, the secondary dominant is offered for any next chords, not just in the same scale. The next chord is treated as I (or Im) in its own scale, then V7 is looked up in that scale. Since this was a quick last-minute change, there is no time for beta versions. If there is something wrong with the chord suggestion, I'll fix it early next week, as soon as I know what is wrong.
Thanks,
Attila
no, the secondary dominant is offered for any next chords, not just in the same scale. The next chord is treated as I (or Im) in its own scale, then V7 is looked up in that scale. Since this was a quick last-minute change, there is no time for beta versions. If there is something wrong with the chord suggestion, I'll fix it early next week, as soon as I know what is wrong.
Thanks,
Attila
Cliffscherer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:03 pm Dear Attila,
Just to clarify...
Is the feature “New chord suggestion: secondary dominant for the next 'I' chord” limited to I cord in same scale only? Would this not always trivially mean V cord in same scale/mode?
The idea I raised to integrate into RC is really more to find the V once the next cord is interpreted as I in a different scale/mode.
But I am sure I misinterprete your description.
https://www.musicdevelopments.com
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- KVRist
- 432 posts since 12 Aug, 2015
Hi Attila,
As always it's great to see new features and updates but yet this still nothing there for people that use custom phrases, would really appreciate it if you could fix the apply melody and apply shape. I'm not sure if this variation generator is going to happen anytime soon so at least having those fixes done would be some sort of solution for people using custom phrases, the video I sent you months ago will give you the solution for fixing the apply melody and apply shape variation.
Me and Mike have teamed up and have started working on a video series on how to make popular modern music in RC the process will show you how to make the track and also how the track will sound once it has been mixed with the right sounds and a vocal added.
if anyone else here can think of any ideas to help promote RC please feel free to suggest
As always it's great to see new features and updates but yet this still nothing there for people that use custom phrases, would really appreciate it if you could fix the apply melody and apply shape. I'm not sure if this variation generator is going to happen anytime soon so at least having those fixes done would be some sort of solution for people using custom phrases, the video I sent you months ago will give you the solution for fixing the apply melody and apply shape variation.
Me and Mike have teamed up and have started working on a video series on how to make popular modern music in RC the process will show you how to make the track and also how the track will sound once it has been mixed with the right sounds and a vocal added.
if anyone else here can think of any ideas to help promote RC please feel free to suggest
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 32 posts since 17 Jun, 2021
Hi Attila,
just downloaded v4.2.1.
Thx for adding Secondary Dominants.
just downloaded v4.2.1.
Thx for adding Secondary Dominants.