Compliments on New Composition Tools

[AGreen]

solomute, you don't seem to fully understand what aux busses are actually for. They are for processing effects in parallel not in series and this is the same in all daws. There is no daw I know of that routes the output of an aux bus back to the sending track. Try this in another daw if you don't believe me. If you want to process your effects in series, then put them on the same track or in a rack. If you want to process them in parallel put them on another track and use an aux send and return or put them in a rack wired up in parallel.

[zzz00m]

to Agreen
Well, something is wrong with waveform's routing via busses or stereo pass thru. Imagine i have a track 1 with guitar vst, track 2 with amplifier, track 3 with a guitar cabinet vst. I send signal via pass thru from track 1 to track 2 for amplification and via aux send from track 1 to track 3 for processing singnal by the cabinet vst. All three tracks are set to output to default master out. So i have noticed that track 3 gets non-amplified signal. So as far as i understand both busses or stereo pass thru solutions (track 2 and 3) output signal not back to track 1 but to the default master output. In other words regardless of how many aux sends or pass thrus you have in the filter section of track 1 all of them get the signal from the guitar vst instead of getting signal from the previous auxsend\pass thru, in other words though these auxsends and pass thrus go one after another, they ARE NOT CHAINED into one chain. That's kind of wierd. A user would normally expect that the signal woud be routed back from tracks 2 and 3 for futher processing by other vsts or auxsends\passthrus in the filter section but instead the signal goes to the master output. All this renders busses\passthrus concept senseless and you have to put several instances\copies of the same vst to get normal operation and processing. Of course i could set track 2 to have target destination to track 3 but in this case, if i have another guitar vst on track 4 and i want the signal from track 4 to be amplified on track 2 but not processed by the cabinet vst on track 3 this becomes impossible since track 2 has target destination to track 3. So will have to have two instances of the amplifier to have that problem solved. What's the point in using busses then? No point at all or i don't know the secret way how to route signal back from busses on track 2 and 3 to track 1 and 4.

Bus routing has nothing to do with composition tools <this topic>. Suggest you start a new thread and explain carefully what you are trying to accomplish.

[vitocorleone123]

I finally spent time last night exploring the composition tools. I paired the melody generator with an orchestral instrument and all of a sudden I sound like I know what I'm doing! Ha.

Loving it. The tools have more depth and breadth than I'd imagined. I see many hours ahead just having fun learning how to use it all.

[bharris22]

The composition tools are the reason I upgraded to Waveform, and so far they have been fantastic.

I had a request - is it possible to add some automatic note transformations to a selection of midi notes? For example, both Sibelius and Finale allow you to automatically apply retrograde and other transformations to a selection (see, e.g., https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fin ... lug_in.htm). Personally, I would love to see as many of these types of automatic transformations as possible - that would be very useful and inspirational.

Thanks!!

[solomute]

Is there a possibility to enter notes in waveform one by one like in musescore instead of recording the entire passage?

[zzz00m]

Is there a possibility to enter notes in waveform one by one like in musescore instead of recording the entire passage?

Yes, but you will need to use the MIDI piano roll editor. Just add a new MIDI clip and open the editor and have at it! No need to use the pattern generator unless you want to.

You can also use the step clips (a simple MIDI step sequencer).

It's all explained in the Waveform User Guide, available here: https://www.tracktion.com/training/manuals

[solomute]

I created the new clip and opened it in editor by doubleclicking. Then i press keys on the midi keyboard and nothing happens. Notes are not inserted. What for are step clips? I added one and see that it lists some drums on the left.

[FigBug]

Enable 'step' from the midi clip toolbar

Step clips are for creating drum beats

[solomute]

Even if i enable step button in the midi editor what i have already tried it does not change the situation i.e. notes are not inserted from the midi keyboard. I can only insert them by the mouse but i don't want to use mouse at all. It injures technique and musles of fingers.

[zzz00m]

Enable 'step' from the midi clip toolbar

Step Entry Mode, page 200-201 in the User Guide.

Step clips are for creating drum beats

Page 212, Chapter 27 - Step Clips. Although obviously optimized by default for drums, this is really a step sequencer. You can assign it to output any instrument, not just drums. But from what I can see, you are limited to mouse data entry, so you cannot step enter from your MIDI controller. You can render them to MIDI clips.

There are a few videos linked from the User Guide to Bill Edstrom's website.
For example, Tracktion T6 - Step Clips Overview: https://w-edstrom.wistia.com/medias/pjf2cdmm4t

[zzz00m]

Even if i enable step button in the midi editor what i have already tried it does not change the situation i.e. notes are not inserted from the midi keyboard. I can only insert them by the mouse but i don't want to use mouse at all. It injures technique and musles of fingers.

Step entry works from the MIDI keyboard if you set the MIDI input correctly for the track you are working with.

[zzz00m]

FYI - just noticed that the step entry does not work if you use the undocked MIDI editor (Piano Roll). Step mode works fine in the docked editor.

In fact any unsaved notes (whether from step mode, or otherwise) go temporarily missing if you start using the docked editor, then switch to undocked mode. Then when you revert to docked editor mode, the unsaved notes are still missing until you click on the clip again in track view.

It is as if Waveform pulls clip data from the wrong memory location when you undock the editor. If you have unsaved notes in the editor, it seems to lose track when the mode changes. Hmmmmm...

I have tested this with both 32 and 64-bit versions of Waveform 8.1.2 with the same results, as well as on two different Windows computers.

This may be a bit off topic, but since the previous poster was having difficulty with step entry, I thought I should point this out here!

[FigBug]

I'm not seeing notes getting lost when the editor docks / undocks, what I am seeing is the selected clip gets lost from the editor. If you then create a note with no clip selected it creates a new clip. Is that what you are seeing?

[zzz00m]

I'm not seeing notes getting lost when the editor docks / undocks, what I am seeing is the selected clip gets lost from the editor. If you then create a note with no clip selected it creates a new clip. Is that what you are seeing?

Yup, I think we are seeing the same thing, just describing it with different words. It's as if you are working with an entirely new temporary clip when you undock.

I have opened up a few saved edits, and any previously saved clip survives the round trip transition OK from docked to undocked here.

[solomute]

I don't know what you mean by docked\undocked. If you have suspected that midi input does not work for me, you are wrong because i can record notes in record mode. So track's input is selected correctly. It's kind of a suprise but today i have launched wf and step entry is working both in midi editor and when a track is zoomed for midi entry via Z key. But i have found that the clip does not jump vertically to the notes' position. So if you enter notes for example in a lower octave but the already selected area for showing in the zoomed midi track shows for example high octaves the clip won't be scrolled to show the inserted notes. That's kind of weird because you may think that notes are not inserted at all. Only velocities' sticks show that smth is being entered.