Audio clip marquee selection and delete time...

[gesslr]

Hi all,

Really excited about Waveform.

I'm thinking about using T7 for producing audiobooks. (Currently using StudioOne.) Probably the most basic and repetitive thing that i do when producing audiobooks is select a portion of an audio file via a marquee selection and delete the time (to get rid of flubbed words, overlong pauses, mouth noises etc). I do this hundreds, if not thousands of times in a project. The second most common thing is to replace breath noise with room ambience via comping.

Tracktion handles the second one fine. However, it seems like the only way to do the first is to set the in and out points around the area to be deleted then use the key commands for deleting the marked region and move up any selected clips. Is this right?

I hope not as I've tried it and it's not an efficient workflow compared to being able to draw a marquee selection.

If this is the case, does anyone know if we will get a marquee selection tool in Waveform?

Thank you.

[jabe]

The first one I'm not sure if Tracktion has an easy way to close the gaps. Mine's set to allow me to edit with Audacity, and that does remove the gaps when you hit delete. Not entirely certain what marquee selection is though.

[gesslr]

The first one I'm not sure if Tracktion has an easy way to close the gaps. Mine's set to allow me to edit with Audacity, and that does remove the gaps when you hit delete. Not entirely certain what marquee selection is though.

Thank you for responding. I borrowed the term "marquee" from other DAWs...it's a tool (the mouse cursor often looks like a crosshair) that you use to draw a selection around an area. I'm sure you've used something similar. My phrasing is clumsy.

Thanks again.

[jabe]

Thanks, I didn't know. If you position the the cursor at a point and press / it will split the current clip, so you can do it twice and delete the part you don't want. There is an option in the properties panel (in the 4th column) called Move Clip (which you can see if one or more clips are highlighted) and one of the options is "Move the selected clips earlier to meet the end of the previous clip". There doesn't appear to be a shortcut for this.

I did wonder if it might be possible to close up a number of gaps in one go, but it doesn't look like it. If several clips with gaps are highlighted, this will move the lot as one piece, so you'd need to do it every time you deleted a section.

[klangbastler]

Hi all,

Really excited about Waveform.

I'm thinking about using T7 for producing audiobooks. (Currently using StudioOne.) Probably the most basic and repetitive thing that i do when producing audiobooks is select a portion of an audio file via a marquee selection and delete the time (to get rid of flubbed words, overlong pauses, mouth noises etc). I do this hundreds, if not thousands of times in a project. The second most common thing is to replace breath noise with room ambience via comping.

Tracktion handles the second one fine. However, it seems like the only way to do the first is to set the in and out points around the area to be deleted then use the key commands for deleting the marked region and move up any selected clips. Is this right?

I hope not as I've tried it and it's not an efficient workflow compared to being able to draw a marquee selection.

If this is the case, does anyone know if we will get a marquee selection tool in Waveform?

Thank you.

in this regard (marking a range on the timeline and use this for editing) tracktion lacks some serious functionality, which slows down the workflow immensely. it's one of the reasons i don't use it more.
working with the in out markers is the only way to specify a range for editing in tracktion at the moment.
a lot of mouseclicking is needed here to get basic things done.
i requested a few things in that regard, but gave up on it.
let's see what "waveform" brings, if anything.

[chico.co.uk]

There's a macro under Basic Actions / Editing called "Delete Marked Region of Selected Clips and Close", which removes the marked region and moves the clip to the right up to meet the one on the left. That seems to be what you want to do.

You could create a small user macro that sets the "Out" marker point, then runs that action, and map it to a key on the keyboard (lets say P, as an example, without checking if that's already mapped to something), and then use I to mark the start of the region you want to remove, and P to mark the end, delete the marked region, and bring the clip on the right up to meet the one on the left.

I think that would be faster than what you're currently doing, but not exactly what you're looking for. But pretty sure that's the nearest you'll get at the moment ...

[chico.co.uk]

Here's what you'd want to have in a custom macro, that you'd map to the P key, in my example;

Tracktion.markOut();
Tracktion.deleteMarkedRegionOfSelectedClipsAndClose();

You'd do this on the Settings Screen / Keyboard Shortcuts, scroll down to the bottom, tick "Show Script Editor", hit "Add a new Macro", give it a name, paste in the above, then map it to whatever key you like (in my example P, which it turns out is for toggling the punch on and off. If you use this loads, and only use the out marker for this purpose, you could always just map it to O, and as well as setting the out marker, it will remove the region between the In and Out markers, and bring the clips together with no gap.

[klangbastler]

thanks for the heads up on scripting! never delved into that myself.
your suggestion speeds up workflow quite a lot.

[gesslr]

Here's what you'd want to have in a custom macro, that you'd map to the P key, in my example;

Tracktion.markOut();
Tracktion.deleteMarkedRegionOfSelectedClipsAndClose();

You'd do this on the Settings Screen / Keyboard Shortcuts, scroll down to the bottom, tick "Show Script Editor", hit "Add a new Macro", give it a name, paste in the above, then map it to whatever key you like (in my example P, which it turns out is for toggling the punch on and off. If you use this loads, and only use the out marker for this purpose, you could always just map it to O, and as well as setting the out marker, it will remove the region between the In and Out markers, and bring the clips together with no gap.

I will give this a go. (Curious about macros also.) But you are right, it isn't quite there. I'm doing a 10 hour audio drama right now and the amount of clean up needed is a bit insane. But I'll give this a go and see how it feels.

Hopefully, the evolved editor windows will give us a bit more in this area.

Thank you both so much for your time.

[gigazaga]

This is from my book on page 108 explaining how to remove a section and delete the space:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... ngTime.png

From chapter 38 page 330, here is how to drag along the timeline to set the in and out markers:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... arkers.png

Sometimes I find the snap clips to neighbors option useful when editing voice over. Here is how that feature works from page 94:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... rClips.png

[gesslr]

This is from my book on page 108 explaining how to remove a section and delete the space:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... ngTime.png

From chapter 38 page 330, here is how to drag along the timeline to set the in and out markers:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... arkers.png

Sometimes I find the snap clips to neighbors option useful when editing voice over. Here is how that feature works from page 94:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... rClips.png

Bill, Thank you so much for taking the time! Your book was the first place I went to when trying to figure this out. (I missed the part about snap clip to neighbors. Great tip, thank you.)

I hope Tracktion considers giving us a marquee tool though. The problem for me is the multi step process of setting an in point, then setting an out point, then CMD+J is really slow compared to simply drawing a selection then CMD+J. Particularly if some of the edits are really fine grain.

In any case, thank you very much for your response and screen caps. I hope that you will do a book on Waveform also.

[chico.co.uk]

This is from my book on page 108 explaining how to remove a section and delete the space:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... ngTime.png

From chapter 38 page 330, here is how to drag along the timeline to set the in and out markers:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... arkers.png

Sometimes I find the snap clips to neighbors option useful when editing voice over. Here is how that feature works from page 94:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... rClips.png

Hi,

There's a typo in step 3 in the screengrab of that first link - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/946 ... ngTime.png

It says "In Properties choose Delete marked region of selected clips, and move up any selected clips (Cmd + J, Ctrl + J)"

But the screengrab shows the shortcut for that is actually Cmd + L, not Cmd + J