Bitwig 3.1 Composer-Focused Update: Top-3 Wishes Poll

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KVRist
144 posts since 20 Jan, 2005

Post Thu May 16, 2019 8:57 am

Now that Bitwig 3.0 aka the "Grid Update" is in Beta, Support told several of us they'll start catering again to composers, adding "regular" DAW features.

I see many of you asking for Comping and ARA-2/Pitch-Correction in priority.

So let's vote and help Bitwig understand what would fulfill 70-75% of us.

Here's my vote:
1. Comping
2. ARA-2/Pitch-Correction (would love something completely integrated like FL's NewTone)
3. Stretch Audio Clips (on the Playlist/Arranger window directly, just like the "Stretch" switch in FL Studio)

For people looking for inspiration / the correct wording for the feature they're after:
http://bitwig.shadiradio.com

Ps: For 3. I really hesitated with Automation Curve Templates and manipulation, like Ableton Live's 10.1 update. IMO, I really want Bitwig to less and less make us look down (in this tedious Edit bottom dock) to compose or edit Midi and Audio Clips. I wanna be able to do most of the detail work in the Playlist/Arranger Window like In-Place Midi Editing, Audio Clip Gain, Pitch-Shifting Curves directly on the Arranger window (to quickly insert "turntable-down" effect for instance).
Basically I want Bitwig to cater to people who work alot with One-Shots and Loops samples and who rely alot on micro-edits.

KVRist
480 posts since 5 Apr, 2014

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:27 am

i agree with you on this topic.

my vote:

1. ARA-2/Pitch-Correction (would love something completely integrated like FL's NewTone)
2. Comping


thanks

KVRAF
9340 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:43 am

Thread title is a bit misleading as it seems like that's the actual plan, but I'll add mine in case they do actually read these things.
-Global snapshots ala Maschine (this is more performance oriented). *This is by far my biggest request and everything after this would be just bonus.
-Midi step input
-Good quality timestretch mode in Sampler, for playback of different pitches without changing the duration of the sample.
-Bounce drum machine pad (to multi-velocity sampler instrument)
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KVRian
771 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:59 am

I just want a better Piano Roll.
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KVRAF
3427 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:59 am

"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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KVRist
403 posts since 18 Jan, 2017

Post Thu May 16, 2019 10:58 am

- MIDI step recording.
- Transpose audio in repitch/resample mode directly on a track.
- Audio quantize using onsets.

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KVRAF
10701 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:20 am

- alias/linked clips
- stretching of audio & MIDI clips on the timeline
- automation editing like Live is adding in 10.1
- MIDI chase
- retrospective MIDI recording
- MSEG modulator
- step recording
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KVRist
178 posts since 6 Jun, 2018 from Berlin

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:21 am

3.1 better be a free upgrade plan to get the leaving musicians back, thanking the staying for their patience.

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KVRAF
20416 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:27 am

For 3.1

Midi Grid
Tempo Mapping
Automation Clips

KVRAF
8235 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:53 am

Also midi grid

A cool step sequencer with random, probability, polyrhythms etc would be very Bitwig and great for midi/cv out sequencing...but this could be done in the grid probably!

I can’t see any reason they won’t add ARA2, melodyne is the best, why reinvent the wheel.

Easy comping is the only thing I miss from a standard DAW in case I want to throw a guitar track over my modular mayhem, but generally if I am working predominantly with audio recording I would probably boot up another DAW currently, but if it’s midi, CV or VST I can get it done in bitwig as is.
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KVRist
90 posts since 30 Mar, 2005

Post Thu May 16, 2019 12:50 pm

- mp3 export
- direct preview like FL (ALT+Right Click) in piano roll and arrangement
- gpu powered gui

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KVRian
917 posts since 7 Dec, 2017

Post Thu May 16, 2019 1:06 pm

Did they really say they'll "start catering again to composers" and adding "regular" DAW features? Where? In private? Just wondering, I haven't seen or heard anything like that. I did see that "Looking Ahead" statement but it's petty vague.

In any case, from the poll thread, in no particular order of importance:

1: Advanced tools in the piano roll (scrub, velocity ramp, chop, strum, stretch, etc.)
2: Groove quantize with custom templates
3: Track comping (quick)

Bonus:

I use Drum Machine so much that whatever makes it easier and quicker to work with is welcomed. Therefor it would nice if the pads on Drum Machine can be set to follow MIDI. I wouldn't mind something like Live's Return Chains in Drumracks for Drum Machine as well. Really handy feature imo.

Going with Antic and OP on this one: "stretching of audio & MIDI clips on the timeline" and Echoes on this one "Good quality timestretch mode in Sampler . . ."

Also, does anyone know where I can get buy a Bitwig T-shirt? 8)
-JH

KVRist

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144 posts since 20 Jan, 2005

Post Thu May 16, 2019 1:17 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: -Global snapshots ala Maschine
-Good quality timestretch mode in Sampler
Could you explain what Machine's Snapshot are meant to do (during a live set I guess)?
You got me curious.

I agree about Pitchshifting/Timestretching, I find it so counter-intuitive the way they implemented it in the Audio Clip editor as well. You can't add Quick Fades in the Editor panel. When you add a stretch point it somehow moves something else... Yuk.
Enrize wrote: - Transpose audio in repitch/resample mode directly on a track
I can't agree more. I really need to have a keyboard shortcut to pitch up -/+1 Semitone, and -/+1 Octave with the Shift modifier to pitchshift an Audio Clip.
Plus Pitchshifting automation curve, with an option to keep the time (timestretching) or not (tape / vinyl like).
antic604 wrote: - alias/linked clips
I'd love it as well. Along with Clip Painting, right now the Pen tool doesn't draw anything when you paint in a blank space. I want it to paint the LAST Audio/Midi Clip I selected.
BTW, what do you mean by "Midi Chase"?
pdxindy wrote: Midi Grid
Tempo Mapping
Automation Clips
What do you mean by "Midi Grid" and "Tempo Mapping"?
And when you say "Automation Clips", you mean like FL Studio's? I know where you're going but don't you find it messy to have a whole clip dedicated for Automations (not that much since they added Folders/Track Nesting)?
SLiC wrote: melodyne is the best, why reinvent the wheel
You're probably right. Maybe they should consider licensing IL's NewTone as I'm sure ARA2 doesn't come cheap.
My only concern with those addons is speed/performance and seamless integration. I.E. being able to CTRL+Z the changes.

Talking about CTRL+Z / History, I believe there's still things that the History doesn't record in Bitwig, not only 3rd Party VST's changes. Also I didn't see a History "List" like in Photoshop/FL Studio.
JHernandez wrote: Where did they mention catering to Composers (etc.)
Support told me a few month ago, while I was in panic mode when I saw v3.0 was only about this s̶t̶u̶p̶i̶d̶ (yet mind blowing) "Grid" thing that I will only use once in a blue moon at best.

They probably got this panic wave from all their "musicians" Bitwig user segment, as I also read on Reddit and KVR several posts reporting they got the same answer, starting v3.1.

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KVRist
183 posts since 13 Mar, 2018

Post Thu May 16, 2019 1:31 pm

1 midi step input and midi chase/stretch
2 finish the sampler with fixing the select knob with 1-127 values + time stretch
3 make the interface more consistent

also stretching audio and midi from the arranger

also! modulator presets. make just one fully functional lfo instead of 3 with not the same features etc....

better automation snap to grid... sometimes its not accurate when you zoom in...

KVRAF
9340 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Thu May 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Zacchino wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 1:17 pm
Echoes in the Attic wrote: -Global snapshots ala Maschine
-Good quality timestretch mode in Sampler
Could you explain what Machine's Snapshot are meant to do (during a live set I guess)?
You got me curious.
A snapshot is like a memory of all parameter settings. So if you tweak a whole bunch of parameters you can instantly set them back to a default state with one command. With Maschine you can save snapshots so you have a bunch of different saved states of parameters that can be recalled. Live had similar tools made with Max 4 Live.
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