Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

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Vortifex
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862 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:07 pm

Hi. The issue I reported here is still present in FL Studio:
Something weird going on with the HS Edge Nine preset in the Pads folder. If I play the preset without the DAW playing, it sounds fine. When I hit play on the DAW the preset sounds like it becomes affected by some fast modulation of some sort, making it sound bad. I'm pretty sure it's not intended. Using the 64 bit VST 2 version of Repro 5 in FL Studio 12.5.1. 64 bit, Windows 10.
The issue is most obvious in the 08 Pads - Synths - ARK Binary Organ preset.

The bug was noted by tasmaniandevil here.
Yikes, always trouble with FL Studio. Yep, there is something wrong with Repro-5's sample&hold in FL Studio. It sounds like the s&h runs on a much too high frequency while FL Studio plays. Very weird, thanks a lot for spotting. I'll make a ticket for this, so we can check out what's going on there next week.
This renders certain presets and types of preset unusable in FL Studio. Any word yet on a fix?

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EvilDragon
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16943 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:15 pm

No fix yet.

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Vortifex
KVRian
862 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:36 am

I do get the impression that FL Studio can be a bit of a headache for VST developers.

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EvilDragon
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Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:32 am

Indeed.

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Teksonik
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Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:49 am

Has anyone reported the issue to Image-Line ? Much better to get both sides involved if there are issues with a particular plugin and DAW.
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Urs
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22415 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:00 am

We started to look into it but couldn't yet find the cause. It seemes there might be a misunderstanding as to how the host proceeds the song position between render calls, as by the interpretation of the standard by IL and us. That said, we're not sure what's going on and we'll probably know in a few weeks.

So far we always thought that "fixed buffer size" would do the trick, but alas, looks like it doesn't.

Can easily be a bug on our side, hence wouldn't wanna point fingers just yet.

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Vortifex
KVRian
862 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:24 am

Bump. Many patches still unusable in FL Studio. Any closer to a fix?

Elektronisch
KVRAF
2247 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:21 am

Vortifex wrote:Bump. Many patches still unusable in FL Studio. Any closer to a fix?

So strange. Im using repro 5 quite alot in flstudio and it doesnt give any problems. Are you using 20.0.3 (released few days ago) ?

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Vortifex
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862 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:05 am

Elektronisch wrote:
Vortifex wrote:Bump. Many patches still unusable in FL Studio. Any closer to a fix?

So strange. Im using repro 5 quite alot in flstudio and it doesnt give any problems. Are you using 20.0.3 (released few days ago) ?
Yes. Do this: Load the ARK Binary Organ patch. Play while no pattern or song is playing. The patch is fine. Now hit play, and play the patch again. Hear what happens to the patch. It's not just that patch, btw.

Elektronisch
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2247 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:03 am

Vortifex wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:
Vortifex wrote:Bump. Many patches still unusable in FL Studio. Any closer to a fix?

So strange. Im using repro 5 quite alot in flstudio and it doesnt give any problems. Are you using 20.0.3 (released few days ago) ?
Yes. Do this: Load the ARK Binary Organ patch. Play while no pattern or song is playing. The patch is fine. Now hit play, and play the patch again. Hear what happens to the patch. It's not just that patch, btw.
Cant check now eaxctly that patch but never happened something like this and i use repro 5 quite often ever since it came out. Only thing i can think of is your midi keyboars velocity setting is different then the one in piano roll and alot of repro patches use velocity modulation.

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Vortifex
KVRian
862 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:04 pm

Elektronisch wrote:Cant check now eaxctly that patch
Well try it when you can.

tasmaniandevil
KVRian
517 posts since 22 Mar, 2005 from Germany

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:54 pm

It's a known bug, it happens when you set the LFO rate to host sync and let the host play.
As Urs already wrote in this thread, we are not sure if it's a bug in our plugin, or a bug in how FL Studio handles these things. FL Studio is the only host where this happens, so they certainly must be doing something completely different than all the other host manufacturers.

Elektronisch
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2247 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:02 pm

tasmaniandevil wrote:It's a known bug, it happens when you set the LFO rate to host sync and let the host play.
As Urs already wrote in this thread, we are not sure if it's a bug in our plugin, or a bug in how FL Studio handles these things. FL Studio is the only host where this happens, so they certainly must be doing something completely different than all the other host manufacturers.
So i tested that It works here but its because i use the same fix as the with Hive lfo being on high rate. Set Use Fixed Size Buffers and other 2 options within (process maximum buffer). Downside of that is then during offline rendering latency is not compensated, but as far as im aware IL is working on fixing the case with PDC so plugins that require to use fixed size buffers will be rendered properly in sync.

tasmaniandevil
KVRian
517 posts since 22 Mar, 2005 from Germany

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:46 am

Elektronisch wrote:So i tested that It works here but its because i use the same fix as the with Hive lfo being on high rate. Set Use Fixed Size Buffers and other 2 options within (process maximum buffer).
This was the thing which usually worked as a workaround for such issues in FL Studio.
Unfortunately, it does not help in this case, at least not over here.

Elektronisch
KVRAF
2247 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Repro 5 beta issue still present in FL Studio

Post Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:54 am

tasmaniandevil wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:So i tested that It works here but its because i use the same fix as the with Hive lfo being on high rate. Set Use Fixed Size Buffers and other 2 options within (process maximum buffer).
This was the thing which usually worked as a workaround for such issues in FL Studio.
Unfortunately, it does not help in this case, at least not over here.
Did you checked all 3 marks (there is a drop down menu on the right on "fixed size buffers") because that fixed that patch problem for me.

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