Big Sur + u-he plugins compatibility notice

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KVRian
1082 posts since 22 Mar, 2005 from Germany

Post Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:35 pm

As of today, November 12, macOS Big Sur is officially released.

Most u-he plugins (with the exception of Uhbik AU) are generally working fine on Big Sur.
Yet, since not all major DAW hosts are officially compatible yet, we cannot say for sure if they are working everywhere. We will continue testing as soon as hosts are declared compatible.

Here is what we know so far:

* Uhbik is not working in Logic, MainStage and GarageBand
* some plugins will still display transparent dialogs when used in Logic (or Cubase in dark mode)
* AU versions will not display parameter feedback if controlled via MIDI CC (MIDI CC control is still working, though)
* AU versions: writing automation by moving GUI parameters won't work (please draw the automation curves)
* Ableton Live, AU version only: parameters added to the device panel will have no effect on the plugin (please use the VST2 or VST3 version instead)

Zebra2 2.9.2 does not exhibit the above mentioned issues, and should be working just fine.

A note about Uhbik:
If you are using any of Apple's own DAWs, be it Logic, MainStage or GarageBand, the Uhbik plugins won't load anymore.
It is still recognized by the host, but trying to load it will result in an error message.
If you are using one of these hosts and rely on Uhbik for your projects, then we strongly advise you to not upgrade to Big Sur just yet.

We are also working on native support for Apple's new Silicon chips.
Porting all plugins will take some time, though.
Thus we cannot give a reliable estimate for the availability of Silicon compatibility updates, but expect to see betas in the coming weeks and months.


Old, original post:
Hi everyone,

as you might have heard, Apple just released the first public beta of the next major macOS version, Big Sur.

The good news: Our VST2 and VST3 versions seem to be working just fine. :)

The not so good news: Big Sur will not recognize our AU plugins anymore. :(

This means, the AU plugins cannot be validated by the system, and thus won't appear in hosts like Logic X, GarageBand, MainStage, or any other host which supports the AU format.

We have already started working on updates to bring the AU version back to life in Big Sur.

Those updates will be made available as soon as possible, but we currently cannot give an estimate for the release date.
The availability of Big Sur compatibility updates will be announced through the usual channels, like our newsletter, and posts on Facebook, KVR, ...

Until then, please do not update to Big Sur, if you rely on u-he AU plugins.

Cheers,
Tas
Last edited by tasmaniandevil on Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:55 am, edited 3 times in total.

KVRer
1 posts since 26 Nov, 2015

Post Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:13 am

U-he AU worked fine under developer preview 1 & 2. DP3 most AU's stopped working all together. Was running the U-he VST through Unify No problems in Logic. Ive since went back to Mojave.

KVRAF
2057 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am

Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario

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KVRAF
2883 posts since 25 Apr, 2011

Post Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:08 pm

man..i hate that....this costs so much dev.time which could be used in so many better ways... ugh

apple ftw :dog:

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KVRAF
1816 posts since 13 Sep, 2007

Post Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:55 am

Catalina - Catalina security support, 64 bit only
Big Sur - AU compatibility
Next Release - ARM support
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KVRist
60 posts since 23 May, 2020

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am

mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
Logic Pro X - MacOS Catalina - MBP 13" i5 3GHz 16GB | TR-8 | Volca Bass | Microfreak | Mininova

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KVRAF
21411 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:59 am

Not nearly as big of a difference as it was when going from Motorola to Intel.

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:25 am

RugerioDelStereo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am
mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
This thread is just about Big Sur... so it is about an OS update.

KVRAF
2057 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:14 am

pdxindy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:25 am
RugerioDelStereo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am
mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
This thread is just about Big Sur... so it is about an OS update.
And... whatever it is, they keep doing it, at least this is the second one in a few years. They are not treating developers fine...

- Mario

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Urs
u-he
25476 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:32 am

pdxindy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:25 am
RugerioDelStereo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am
mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
This thread is just about Big Sur... so it is about an OS update.
Well, it dawns on me that it doesn't make sense to roll out everything for Big Sur and then again for ARM/Apple Silicone. Big Sur compatibility was achieved within a few days here, but we probably won't start rolling everything out before we run on ARM.

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:33 pm

Urs wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:32 am
pdxindy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:25 am
RugerioDelStereo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am
mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
This thread is just about Big Sur... so it is about an OS update.
Well, it dawns on me that it doesn't make sense to roll out everything for Big Sur and then again for ARM/Apple Silicone. Big Sur compatibility was achieved within a few days here, but we probably won't start rolling everything out before we run on ARM.
Depends on how quickly you get Apple Silicon compatibility. Lots of people will be using Intel Macs with Big Sur soon.

KVRAF
1600 posts since 6 Nov, 2006

Post Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:49 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:33 pm
Urs wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:32 am
pdxindy wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:25 am
RugerioDelStereo wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:34 am
mabian wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:25 am
Apple should pay the developers for this compatibility breakdown hell on almost every OS update. And it seems worse for every new OS.

- Mario
You do realize this is not just an OS update, but a complete architecture transition? This is no small thing, but a brain transplant happening.
This thread is just about Big Sur... so it is about an OS update.
Well, it dawns on me that it doesn't make sense to roll out everything for Big Sur and then again for ARM/Apple Silicone. Big Sur compatibility was achieved within a few days here, but we probably won't start rolling everything out before we run on ARM.
Depends on how quickly you get Apple Silicon compatibility. Lots of people will be using Intel Macs with Big Sur soon.
only if they buy a new computer from apple in the fall.

I don't know why any sane person would update to the new OS right away this fall. It's generally asking for trouble. I'm still on mojave and plan to stay here as long as possible.

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Urs
u-he
25476 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 am

It's quite simply not economically viable/doable for us to do two roll outs of everything. We would lose months on this.

We might do one of our Latest Builds threads though, and early adopters of Big Sur can download these.

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:08 am

Urs wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 am
We might do one of our Latest Builds threads though, and early adopters of Big Sur can download these.
That works! :tu:

KVRer
2 posts since 12 Oct, 2017 from Ukraine

Post Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:01 am

Urs wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 am
We might do one of our Latest Builds threads though, and early adopters of Big Sur can download these.
Would be pretty nice! As for now my music work just stopped.

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