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VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:05 pm

pdxindy wrote:Bitwig 2.3 beta is available!!

Did you just wake up

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:34 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Bitwig 2.3 beta is available!!
Did you just wake up

About 4 hours ago... been exploring the beta for couple hours.

The Phase-4 synth is excellent!

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:40 am

pdxindy wrote:If it were available, I would add a filter to FM-4

How would that be any different from putting a Ladder or Filter in FM-4's FX Slot? Or do you mean to have separate filters for each carrier and operator?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:45 am

antic604 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:If it were available, I would add a filter to FM-4
How would that be any different from putting a Ladder or Filter in FM-4's FX Slot?

Is the FX-slot per-voice? If not, that's what would be different.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:54 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
antic604 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:If it were available, I would add a filter to FM-4
How would that be any different from putting a Ladder or Filter in FM-4's FX Slot?
Is the FX-slot per-voice? If not, that's what would be different.

Oh, that's right. But I think some (all?) of the envelope modulators (4-Stage, ADSR, AHDSR) are per-voice, so you could add them to the filter in FX Slot.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:59 pm

I hope their new phase synth doesn't suffer from the same misake they made with fm 4.
Where the modulator amount range ( and thus it's outgoing shape ) is internally clipped , when dialing in a big modulation range .
It's the same as whn you put an operator trough a clipper/dist . and then to the carrier = has a hug impact on the sound .
I adressed this one year ago , they didn't even bother answering .
viewtopic.php?p=6726702

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:12 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
antic604 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:If it were available, I would add a filter to FM-4
How would that be any different from putting a Ladder or Filter in FM-4's FX Slot?
Is the FX-slot per-voice? If not, that's what would be different.

no, it isn't... and that is the difference

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 pm

antic604 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
antic604 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:If it were available, I would add a filter to FM-4
How would that be any different from putting a Ladder or Filter in FM-4's FX Slot?
Is the FX-slot per-voice? If not, that's what would be different.
Oh, that's right. But I think some (all?) of the envelope modulators (4-Stage, ADSR, AHDSR) are per-voice, so you could add them to the filter in FX Slot.

Those modulators can be both mono or poly... but when used with the FX slot, will only be mono. You cannot add polyphony to a mono signal.

GMoneh · Post by **GMoneh** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:49 am

ARA please... when?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:21 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:I hope their new phase synth doesn't suffer from the same misake they made with fm 4.
Where the modulator amount range ( and thus it's outgoing shape ) is internally clipped , when dialing in a big modulation range .
It's the same as whn you put an operator trough a clipper/dist . and then to the carrier = has a hug impact on the sound .
I adressed this one year ago , they didn't even bother answering .
viewtopic.php?p=6726702

Is there an easy way to check that?

Regardless of this, Phase-4 sounds really good and is modulation heaven... every parameter can be modulated!

Oh, and Beta 2 is available

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:25 am

pdxindy wrote:
gentleclockdivider wrote:I hope their new phase synth doesn't suffer from the same misake they made with fm 4.
Where the modulator amount range ( and thus it's outgoing shape ) is internally clipped , when dialing in a big modulation range .
It's the same as whn you put an operator trough a clipper/dist . and then to the carrier = has a hug impact on the sound .
I adressed this one year ago , they didn't even bother answering .
viewtopic.php?p=6726702
Is there an easy way to check that?

Yes there is , take any other fm synth and dial in a healthy fm amount .
Do the same on fm 4 , when going beyond a certain range /mod amount from modulator to carrier ...the range( mod amount ) is internally clipped .
I 'll quickly upload an audio file ... First part is just modulator- increasing output gain -->into carrier..
Second part is modulator --->increasing output gain --->clipper ---->carrier ...( the bitwig way ) .
Examples are made in reaktor .
I don't have bitwig installed anymore , so I can't perfectly replicate the clipping values , I remember doing it 1 year ago and it was spot on .

https://app.box.com/s/5qyns2wtdkx3389j26i54x7f1hnl8ce5

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:16 am

gentleclockdivider wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
Is there an easy way to check that?

Yes there is , take any other fm synth and dial in a healthy fm amount .
Do the same on fm 4 , when going beyond a certain range /mod amount from modulator to carrier ...the range( mod amount ) is internally clipped .

Okay... I think I understand what you mean... my impression from a quick test of Phase-4 is that it is not doing what FM-4 does.

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