Why did you leave Studio One?

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KVRian
1303 posts since 2 Jul, 2007

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:29 pm

Still no update to the browser.. LAME
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KVRian
509 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:35 pm

trusampler wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:29 pm
Still no update to the browser.. LAME
I really wish they would take some ideas from Bitwig in this regard. Bitwig's browser search is amazing imo. They need collections, smart folders, tagging. Pinning folders sucks in S1 imo. They need to revamp the whole thing.
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KVRian
1303 posts since 2 Jul, 2007

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:41 pm

I agree, I was blown away by the video's I've seen of Bitwig's browser, smart and looks so much better to work with then Presonus Studio's basic explorer type browser. C'mon Presonus, we know you can do better then this. ;(
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KVRist
242 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:05 pm

trusampler wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:41 pm
I agree, I was blown away by the video's I've seen of Bitwig's browser, smart and looks so much better to work with then Presonus Studio's basic explorer type browser. C'mon Presonus, we know you can do better then this. ;(
It is really amazing with in-context and in-place audition of samples, instruments, presets and fx before committing and losing the current one. It is on another level.

KVRAF
6823 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:13 pm

What's the problem with the browser? Actually, I find it better than Bitwig's one. Bitwig's browser is messy for me, while in S1 I found what I need easily and all things seem organized fine. Maybe it is better to position the browser on the left (like in Ableton Live) so, drag'n'drop is minimum. In Cubase I don't use the browser (except of media player for samples and midi patterns) because I can choose what I want from the insert list.

Anyway, I've cancelled selling S1 because they keep updating it and the performance is really good. Personally, I don't have any problem with my plugins and I also still have ATOM which works great with it. I'm trying to find an excuse to sell it, but really I can't find a deal breaker :hihi: Even MODX is working the same as in Live and Cubase, so I'm stuck with those three fine DAWs! I'm sure I would be a polygamous person if I were wealthy and lived in a country that allows it :lol:
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KVRAF
7958 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:13 am

EnGee wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:13 pm
What's the problem with the browser? Actually, I find it better than Bitwig's one. Bitwig's browser is messy for me, while in S1 I found what I need easily and all things seem organized fine.
I think people mean Bitwig's pop-up / floating browser, not the one that's on the side (that I always tried to avoid).
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KVRAF
6823 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:50 am

Bitwig's pop-up browser is still not comfortable as I remember now. But I agree it is still better than the right side one. Anyway, I still prefer S1's browser! Most of the times, I don't need a complex search! I just want something like S1 browser. Tab for instruments, tab for effects and tab for files and folders (that you can add manually). I really find it the best browser to be honest! If I want an instrument, I just go to the Instrument's tab and choose it. The effects on another tab (not the same tab). While samples and Midi files are separated by me in their folders which can be searchable as well :)
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KVRAF
7958 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:01 am

EnGee wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:50 am
...If I want an instrument, I just go to the Instrument's tab and choose it. The effects on another tab (not the same tab)...
For effects I found using the "+" in the inserts is most convenient. It immediately focuses on the search box so I can type few letters and have the FX on the track, without having to scroll through the list. Actually very much like in Bitwig :)

I only really need the Ctrl+F to be modal and exit browser search, because it's annoying to have to click the tiny "magnifying glass" every time.
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KVRAF
6823 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:17 am

Yes, sure. I use the insert as well, but sometimes I want to see and scroll in the browser tab.

Anyway, I use few specific effects, so I don't mind looking for them the hard way. I might loose one Calorie as well :hihi:
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KVRist
189 posts since 18 Aug, 2016

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:14 pm

Kang wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:14 pm
Skandiluz wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:21 pm
apoclypse wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:17 pm
Sometimes it crashes when adding plugins.
Crashing when adding plugins also is a thing for me. I can't use Replika because of it. Not that it's a huge deal, but it's there. Forgot to mention that since it's been a while since I've used replika due to that.
Try renaming the actual replika plugin file. I don't remember the exact specifics, but I had this problem when replika came out and since then it's called replika666 when I pull it up in my plugin folder. It shows up as 'not installed' (or something) in my NI account, but at least it works. Anyone tried Replika XT?
Well, that actually worked lol. Didn't think it would but it no longer crashes S1. I was even able to open multiple copies across 20 or so tracks, save the project and reopen it with no issues. Thanks for that bit of info!
Yo.

KVRAF
27694 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:21 pm

Weird. Never had an issue with Replika in Studio One.

Maybe flushing the blacklist will do something.
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KVRist
189 posts since 18 Aug, 2016

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:50 pm

I don't in any other daw, but since v5, I haven't been able to use replika. Not a big deal since I have other delays but renaming it did the trick so it's working now. Massive X still crashes but I don't really use this at all. So no loss there. Kontakt has no issues and that's about the only NI plugin I use heavily
Yo.

KVRist
340 posts since 3 Dec, 2004

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:59 pm

Skandiluz wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:14 pm
Kang wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:14 pm
Skandiluz wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:21 pm
apoclypse wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:17 pm
Sometimes it crashes when adding plugins.
Crashing when adding plugins also is a thing for me. I can't use Replika because of it. Not that it's a huge deal, but it's there. Forgot to mention that since it's been a while since I've used replika due to that.
Try renaming the actual replika plugin file. I don't remember the exact specifics, but I had this problem when replika came out and since then it's called replika666 when I pull it up in my plugin folder. It shows up as 'not installed' (or something) in my NI account, but at least it works. Anyone tried Replika XT?
Well, that actually worked lol. Didn't think it would but it no longer crashes S1. I was even able to open multiple copies across 20 or so tracks, save the project and reopen it with no issues. Thanks for that bit of info!
Glad that worked. When they gave it away a while back I was dying for a good delay and I was so bummed it didn't work that I tried EVERYTHING. Strangely that's what did it. It's been on probably every mix since then.

KVRist
54 posts since 29 Dec, 2019

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:09 am

I could crash Studio One 5 with HALion Sonic 3 on demand.

Hilariously, HALion 6 and HALion Sonic SE 3 work fine.

I agree the browser is awful, coming from a Cubase.

KVRian
509 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 pm

antic604 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:13 am
EnGee wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:13 pm
What's the problem with the browser? Actually, I find it better than Bitwig's one. Bitwig's browser is messy for me, while in S1 I found what I need easily and all things seem organized fine.
I think people mean Bitwig's pop-up / floating browser, not the one that's on the side (that I always tried to avoid).
For me I was talking about the one on the side. I actually like it quite a bit. But in general I was talking about the robust search and smart folders which I guess is true for both.

One thing I do in Bitwig is to have smart folders for specific instruments, bass, kicks, snares etc. I don't have to worry where they are on my hard drive as long as Bitwig is aware of the folder it will automatically add its content to the list.

My only gripe with Bitwig's browser is that it doesn't show you how many samples per folder/collection/smart folder etc. It just says 99+ if it has more than 99 items.
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