anyone build vst plugins? i'll pay you if you build me one

[Meffy]

mjones has good advice. Staying with old software for compatibility reasons is really frustrating. (Don't I know it; must upgrade my main host before too much longer.)

Meffy

[-SPYRO-]

quareave

Didn't you tried rendering the TS404s and leaving the rest as is, so to be able to use the project on FL 5?

[quareave]

yes, i could export (bounce) the wav's of a pattern/melody and import them into a newer FL but eventually after backing up the projects samples so many times you'd think the 00101010's would get all mixed up and would begin to degrade the quality of the wav's, so i've heard. and i don't want tat to happen to my music.

[Meffy]

IIRC, .wav is always lossless so signals won't degrade unless you process and re-save. [edit: ... and even then the degradation would occur during processing anyway.] mp3, however, is lossy and suitable only for final output.

It's similar to BMP (lossless) versus JPG (lossy). If you save to BMP format repeatedly you won't suffer loss of image quality. It'll be a big file though. Load and save a JPG repeatedly and you'll see artifacts pretty fast.

Meffy

[-SPYRO-]

Meffy is right :]

[jones-y]

yes, i could export (bounce) the wav's of a pattern/melody and import them into a newer FL but eventually after backing up the projects samples so many times you'd think the 00101010's would get all mixed up and would begin to degrade the quality of the wav's, so i've heard. and i don't want tat to happen to my music.

That's a common myth. Basically it goes something like this:

"If you make a copy of a wav file, its not an exact bit-for-bit copy."

Totally baseless. The truth is when your OS makes a copy of a file, it MUST be a bit for bit exact copy. Just imagine the havoc it'd cause if this wasn't the case; e.g. The OS goes to copy, say, your Registry, upon your request. One of those HKEYs gets changed from a 1 to a 0. Havoc.

The OS doesn't differentiate between file types and assign some sort of priority to certain filetypes... Its job is to make an exact copy of a file. Imagine if you went to make a copy of an executable file. If a bit here or there changed, do you think it would execute correctly?

[snareSpanker]

yes. once 3 was dev'd, ts404 was redesigned and tons of the presets i've made used in songs will not play correctly and the tones cannot be reproduced exactly the way tweaked them in 2.72's version.

I remember when that happened.. The changes in ts404 was a quite sad bit of the upgrade at the time. Don't mind much now though. Don't even remember what the changes were

-Edit- The introduction of the pianoroll was nice, though!

[Ian Stone]

Right. Agree with all the above. I think most of us tend to get a bit too comfortable with what we're familiar with and leary to venture into unknown territory. I suggest dumping FL 2.0 and getting the new FL Studio. And like aforementioned, any audio can be reversed in FL Studio's sampler, or any other sampler / editor for that matter. Happy twiddling.







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[TotcProductions]

sample your ts404 presets and use them in a sampler.