Why is there so much nerd music here?

[kovacs]

And this essence is...? That you like it or not?

You are confusing essence with purpose.

The purpose of music can be to entertain or serve as art.

Sheesh. Says WHO? That is my point. You try to state that there are ground rules for anything to be called music. I challenge that. I think music is whatever we want it to be. Is the sound of car tires screeching against asphalt music? In the right setting, yes.

You are following a rule every time you break one. I DON'T WANNA PLAY IN THE RIGHT KEY FOR THIS PIECE, now you've broken a rule and are now a rather nasty rule that harmony sounds better than atonality to the human ear.

That is pure bull. The person you mentioned earlier who just randomized sounds in his sequencer knows diddly squat about rules, so he can't break them.

I don't see how this conversation called for your musical background. I think you mentioned it to gain some sort of credibillity.

You mean so my nickname can gain credibility? Sure...frankly I don't care what you think about my education. If you think flaunting an education gains anyone cred here then I think you're wrong. I was trying to point out that I actually have a grasp on theory and I explained why. Stay on topic, pal.

Though I do respect the hard work you did in college I find it hard to respect the end result if all that theory taught you to dislike traditional music theory.

I didn't say I dislike theory. I said I got sick and tired of having it crammed down my throat. Yes, I know what the rules of western music theory is, pretty much. If my education caused me to dislike music theory it might say something about music education, which is another discussion altogether. BTW - after finishing my degree 13 years ago I spent years teaching music in secondary school and giving private guitar lessons, teaching the same music theory I learnt in college. That doesn't mean I think music is bound by those rules.

"nerd music" shows an utter lack of interest in what goes on at the music scene. You try to start an intellectual debate on what music is and should be, but you are unable to see that most of the replies you get are from the very people who think "nerd music" is perfectly fine, or who could care a donkey's ass (sorry donks) about what label it gets.

Obviously you only read what you wanted to, read a few posts down from that. Thanks.

I've read all of it, thanks.

[CskaTorpedo]

if its evolved to what its is now who has decided its got as far as its going?
you think its similar to language well language is still evolving too.
stop being so small minded and either listen or dont

Not trying to prove anything, trying to have a disscussion.

I never said music couldn't evolve. You just go on putting words in my mouth okay? Don't actually bother reading what I say.

Easy to feel like one of the good-ol-boys, when you got a couple of very vocal musicians trying to convince a web community that making noises with their self programmed reaktor white noise machine is just as valid as actually applying yourself and learning to play your instruments in a way that doesn't sound like crap.

How can you be a good musician if you can't even play an instrument? Have we as a society finally said "talent isn't as important as having a good imagination." ??????

[ericj23]

so if other sites are better for other stuff does anyone know where I can find some jazz - trad or modern but not fuckin jamierockie kinda glass coffee table and coke jazz

or am i stuck with the nerds ?

[hao nao]

[opiadream]

next time you blow your nose keep it to yourself

[jtxx000]

you know, i think half of my posts are just laughing at something someone else said...

[vurt]

How can you be a good musician if you can't even play an instrument? Have we as a society finally said "talent isn't as important as having a good imagination." ??????

er are you implying that i cannot play an instrument?
hmmmmmmmmm bollocks


and who exactly gave you the right to decide what is talent and what isnt?
on top of which perhaps if you showed us some of your amazing skillfully laid out music we may have an idea what it is your gettin at.as it stands it looks like someone is having a hissy fit cos they dont understand something

and in my opinion yes imagination is more important than talent.and you seem like a very talented chap/chappette



what i fail to grasp is you said in your first post you werent having a go you just wondered why,now you are assuming that you understand the process enough to tell us exactly how we do it.hmm facetious me thinks.number one i cant actually remember the last time i fired reaktor up for more than a compressor and secondly my white noise phase was years ago get with the fuckin times you moron

[ericj23]

cska - intersting thread

but you seem to be linking talent with being able to play an instrument - not sure what you mean - playing an instrument is a skill like joinery or working with metal

composing is about imagination and feeling - in exactly the same way as a good joinery and metalwork

but why assume people have made somthing lesser by designing their tables, chairs, cars, music etc using a computer

And while we are talking rules - my brain belives their is none - but i do find playing in key does seem to sound nicer

[hjack]

... but i do find playing in key does seem to sound nicer

now why would you say that?

[foosnark]

How can you be a good musician if you can't even play an instrument?

I don't know, go back in time and ask Beethoven... but be sure and write the question down for him.

There's more to music than performance.

Have we as a society finally said "talent isn't as important as having a good imagination." ??????

Why yes, I believe we have. Ever hear of this guy named Piet Mondrian? Maybe Jackson Pollack?

[CskaTorpedo]

Sheesh. Says WHO? That is my point. You try to state that there are ground rules for anything to be called music. I challenge that. I think music is whatever we want it to be. Is the sound of car tires screeching against asphalt music? In the right setting, yes.

So you think noise is music, and then why isn't that car featured in a musical perforance, why do you teach guitar, and not "car sounds" Why isn't there a car sounds CD available ON ANY LABEL? Why don't you start a label where u feature only car sounds. Why? Because human's don't find it interesting or pleasent.

That is pure bull. The person you mentioned earlier who just randomized sounds in his sequencer knows diddly squat about rules, so he can't break them.

People play by the rules all the time, they don't know it but they do. Even I don't know what key I play in, I am still playing in a key.

You mean so my nickname can gain credibility? Sure...frankly I don't care what you think about my education. If you think flaunting an education gains anyone cred here then I think you're wrong. I was trying to point out that I actually have a grasp on theory and I explained why. Stay on topic, pal.

Not your nickname, so your argument could gain credibillity. You know what I meant.

I didn't say I dislike theory. I said I got sick and tired of having it crammed down my throat. Yes, I know what the rules of western music theory is, pretty much. If my education caused me to dislike music theory it might say something about music education, which is another discussion altogether. BTW - after finishing my degree 13 years ago I spent years teaching music in secondary school and giving private guitar lessons, teaching the same music theory I learnt in college. That doesn't mean I think music is bound by those rules.

Again respect for your education, and even your job, this isn't a personal attack, I just can't respect an institution that "crams" music down people's throats, causing someone passionate enough to study music, to dislike it.

This discussion is getting a bit to personal let's back up a bit and discuss only the key points, okay?

[ericj23]

... but i do find playing in key does seem to sound nicer

now why would you say that?

Pointless unwinnable arguments 101

nature or nurture

is harmony in my nature or have i been exposed to it so much anything else is unfamilair and therefore mildly disturbing

and does anyone give a flying ?

I certainly hope not

[CskaTorpedo]

are are you implying that i cannot play an instrument?
hmmmmmmmmm bollocks

Whoops, that was not the intention of my post, it was not aimed at you at all, I have never heard any of your music, and it is probably way better than mine, I was just citing some criticizms I had about the experimental/ambient I have heard here.

[vurt]

fuckit im out

[birrbits]

How can you be a good musician if you can't even play an instrument? Have we as a society finally said "talent isn't as important as having a good imagination." ??????

yes, we have for at least a couple of centuries now
and I am so damn happy

in the end, after you are DEAD
noone will give a rats ass how talented you were
but if you wrote one good piece of music they will remember it

was Beethoven a kick ass piano player?

is a sequencer THAT different from a score sheet?

where do you draw the line? is splicing tape ok, but editing waveforms not?