Why is there so much nerd music here?

[birrbits]

Why isn't there a car sounds CD available ON ANY LABEL?.

There is:
http://www.grsites.com/sounds/cars001.shtml

[dystonia_ek]

In response to the initial post (will read through after), I disagree - I find the majority of the music here pretty accessible (check the monthly contests for evidence)... there happens to be a small, active core group of people doing somewhat more abstract music but they're hardly in the majority, and most of it tends toward the listenable end of the spectrum.

[Ian Stone]

like Mozart. Young Ludwig studied piano at an early age but showed no special talent, for which he was beaten by his father. With adolescence, his musical abilities came to the fore. He studied under Christian Neefe, the court organist in Bonn, and got the job of Deputy Court Organist at the age of 12.
When he was 18, his mother died. His father started drinking heavily and became unable to support the family. It was up to Ludwig to provide an income, which he did by playing the piano and the viola, giving music lessons and various other jobs associated with music. He also composed a few small pieces.

One of his compositions impressed the composer Haydn so much that he offered to teach Beethoven. In 1792, at the age of 22, Beethoven left Bonn for Vienna, Austria, where he lived for the rest of his life. In Vienna, Beethoven had lessons from Haydn and Salieri. He supported himself with the help of aristocratic patrons. He made his performing debut in 1795, playing one of his own compositions, the Piano Concerto No 2, as well as a piano concerto by Mozart. The Viennese public loved him and he never had any problems with money as a result. His compositions from this time are nearly all piano pieces.
[...]
As a world-class pianist, Beethoven particularly favoured the piano in his compositions. He wrote 36 piano sonatas (large works for unaccompanied piano) and five piano concertos (large works for piano and orchestra) as well as a huge range of other piano music.

An education is right! Probably all I will ever need to know or ever want to know about Ludwig Beethoven in my lifetime. But thank you just the same.

[xander]

This again??

Questions like this smack of arrogance and elitism -- no matter how politely they are posed. Everyone marches to various beats and styles and no one is too talented or righteous enough to dis other forms of music.

As soon as people become afraid or intimidated to submit their compositions based upon the feeling they get from questions like this, everyone loses.

If a 13 year-old or an 80 year-old find that they can produce music on their PCs -- with vocals or not -- and have fun doing it, then let it grow.

Encouragement is the thing, not what genre or style someone attempts. Variety is "life" to any art form.

Like anything people try to do, some will try it, not like it or realize that music creation isn't their thing, give it up and move on. Most are wise enough to figure it out. Those that persist usually get better at what they do. In the meantime, the more the merrier.

Doing a google now on virtually anything to do with music creation via a DAW/VSTi brings all kinds of people to KvR. Get over it & let it flow.

And with that said, there are all kinds of submissions in here, not just ambient/electronica, etc. Just have to look & listen. Many of the creations people submit in here are fabulous in one way or another -- even if it's nothing more than hearing the way a 13 year-old or 80 year-old chooses to use a particular VSTi. It's all good.

I love Vurt too.

[dystonia_ek]

I'm with zircon, music without vocals is a doddle to do.

That depends on the genre, BONES. Stuff that's based on standard pop structures and arrangements (i.e. unchanging rhythm, simple harmonic structure, and so on), perhaps, but that's a pretty small slice of pie.

[dystonia_ek]

Now, everything has it's place, but I'm looking forward to hearing some real music. Yes, I believe you can create quality music with these instruments, not just Techno, Electronica, ect.
"Wake me up when it's over"

Would you dismiss the entire 20th century post-classical avant-garde as immature? Someone alert IRCAM.

[TristezaOrange]

As a producer of nerd music, I'm feeling deeply hurt by this thread and I have no other choice but to lock it. Oh wait, i can't.

Anyway, here's my competition track for this month, I rather think that this is a great opportunity to shamelessly plug my track.

http://www.pualah.com/05_03_TristezaOra ... eAlley.mp3

It's noisy and soundscape-y but is it MUSIC? . [And let's not forget the mighty Teenage Fanclub who have a song named 'Is This Music?']

My point is, where do we draw the line? Is the above track music cos it has a melody somewhere, or is it nerd music cos it was written in a sequencer and has lot of noise? Huh? HUH? HUH?

Right, where are my pills?

[[absurd]]

Nice track TristezaOrange. Is it music? It is to ME, and that is all that matters, as far as I'm concerned...

[hao nao]

next time you blow your nose keep it to yourself

hey now! I'll have you know I labored for minutes over this

it's the score for my next piece, which deliberately shares "compositional elements" with transitional -- I mean traditional -- forms of air-wiggling

and I might mention, never saw Ligeti do a score like this

[dystonia_ek]

So you think noise is music, and then why isn't that car featured in a musical perforance,

First to use screeching tires was, I believe, Pierre Schaeffer in the 1950's. Google him to find out what his pedigree was.

Why isn't there a car sounds CD available ON ANY LABEL?

Try 'Crash Injury Trauma' by Isolrubin BK, released by the Grey Area of Mute Records [distributed by Elektra at one point in the US, even]

Why don't you start a label where u feature only car sounds. Why? Because human's don't find it interesting or pleasent.

See Luigi Russolo's 1913 manifesto 'The Art of Noises'

[opiadream]

hey now! I'll have you know I labored for minutes over this

it's the score for my next piece, which deliberately shares "compositional elements" with transitional -- I mean traditional -- forms of air-wiggling

and I might mention, never saw Ligeti do a score like this

[koorby]

What if the "experimental/ambient" artist says "the rules for this song is that it's out of key, has no velocity, and the rhythm is sloppy" Do we pat that person on the back and say "good job, you did exactly what you said you would". Or do we hold them to some sort of other standard?

Nope. If it sounds like self-indulgent shite and clearly is just a bunch of wankerage, then that's what it is.

I watched "Alchemists of sound" the other day (an old bbc show on the radiophonic studio) and it was very apperent what those people were doing was experimental, but very obviously also music. It contained good rhythm, complex chord structure, and many other musical fundementals.

Rhythm, complex chords and fundamentals eh? If only we saw more of that in the KvR stuff.

So what makes it music when we throw out musical rules and apply our own?

Shite. Or chaos. Or a whole new "genre". Or all of those mixed together I guess.

or it could be the soulless bland shite with melody thats been heard a million times
or it could just be uninspired orchestral shite by some wannabe john williams
we all do what we do cos we enjoy it i guess.
doesnt matter to me what other people think

Oh dearie me John, are we getting personal? Or when I mention the word "shite" do you automatically think I'm talking about your stuff? Hmmm

[FaX]

Ok I'm sorry to do this but your logic here is horribly flawed.
Yes music shares alot with language
But not all language is English
So to say that a sound that is not English,
does not by any means imply that its is not language
and to say "I'm calling this fart English"
and have people disagree with you
still has nothing to do with the fact that you can speak in fart

English was an example, I used the expamle in such a way that I did not need to compare music to ALL language. Now you are being nitpicking.

And language never stays static - the english of 300 years ago differs greatly from today.
I'm sure if someone had a timemachine they'd think we spoke gibberish and had totallty bastardised the language.
So for some reason you can accept the rationale and effect of dialect , colloquialism and cultural influence on the expansion of the English vocabulary
but music has predefined rules that remain static through time ?
If you do then dream on baby - nothing and I mean nothing in this life or the next generations ever stays the same.

[Sicklecell666]

I'm sure there's a Bell Curve chart somewhere demonstrating the inverse relationship between a male's teensy penis & a complete lack of accounting for fascist musical taste.

If there isn't I can produce one easy enough for you, cska..I mean I hooked up hitman the other night with one, I'm not selfish..

The creative process will never adhere to your type of beliefs. You might have a spoonfull of peanut butter stuck to your nutsack, but you don't get to define what & whether what I create is valid or not, so go try one of those mail-order penis-pumps & treat your real problem, m'kay?

[dreibel]

Is there something about KVR that attracts nerds (read; people who make complex music aimed at a very selective audience)? .

if I'm a nerd, I hope I'm as cool a one as Gil Grissom