KVR Audio

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:41 pm

I need some more distortion effects for this project I'm working on and I was wondering what people thought about these two programs. Personally, I'm leaning towards trash but I haven't completely made up my mind yet.

Even if you just use one of these programs, please let me know what you think of it and what types of things you use them for (i.e., is it just good for guitars or do you ever throw some synths or vocals through it as well? etc.).

Thanks

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:59 pm

Hi,

I use Amplitube. Mainly on guitars, but it also kicks arse on other instruments too. I did a quick little piece that has Amplitube on EVERY track:

http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewtopic.php?t=302

Forgive the quick mix and crappy playing.

Forever,

Kim.

AudioWhore · Post by **AudioWhore** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:16 am

I never thought much of Trash for light overdriven sounds like a full bodied rhodes.. But thats just a particular sound im after.

smart · Post by **smart** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:29 am

They're both cool. I like to use Trash better personally, but I'm not a guitar player so I'm using it on drums and stuff mostly.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:01 am

I use Trash for guitar and bass.

I like it a lot because it's a toolbox with just about endless possibilities.

It sounds very good and very much like a true miked amp-speaker-set.

Instead of a tube amplifier and soldering exchanging components all the time you twist i little here and there in Trash.

Since I very systematically is trying out all possibilities to what I can get from Trash(with different guitars as well) I made some tools for myself to more easily get an overview of the presets that I like and what they have in common.

I will make this tool available later for anybody using Trash the way I do.

I recommend Trash over Amplitube. But guitar is my main instrument. I can't tell about keyboard and drum stuff.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:35 am

Trash is pretty good too. It's got great cabinet simulation. The thing that really put me off though is that the whole thing is very CPU intensive. Maybe that's not a big issue if you like freezing all your tracks.

Forever,

Kim.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:43 am

I'm really quite curious about Trash now....

I have to admit, EVERY guitar-amp-sim- related thing has gotten me curious at one point or another, from hardware digital sims (J-Station, Pod) to hardware analog sims (Tech21 SansAmp) to the various freeware offering, to the one I most often use (Green Machine Amp II).

What I like about Trash from what I've seen is that it can be fairly deep. With the various modules, it's a bit deeper than GMAII, but maintains the same sort of spirit of allowing the user to craft a sound, rather than simply providing a set of very obvious models to go from.

GMAII still strikes me as a better bargain, but Trash seems to be a deep and ultimately satisfying toolbox.

Greg

finnbio · Post by **finnbio** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:35 am

Deggy,

I'd say Trash all the way... If you have a fairly new computer setup, I think the CPU demand of the plugin becomes a non-issue.

Trash is immensly tweakable. If you are "just" looking for good emulations of classical guitar amps, I suppose there are other plugins that do it about as well and in which the sounds are a little more accessible (especially GMII, which has tons of presets). But if you want to get creative, there's nothing that can hold a candle to Trash. Really!
I've used it mainly for guitar and bass duties, but also have successfully roughened up some vocals.

Izotope provides "receipes" for use on drums and keyboards on their website..
And the price is more than reasonable....

Alex

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:08 am

Jeez wrote:Trash is pretty good too. It's got great cabinet simulation. The thing that really put me off though is that the whole thing is very CPU intensive. Maybe that's not a big issue if you like freezing all your tracks.

Forever,
Kim.

Yes, it does require some cpu, but since developer also been aware of this you can turn off just about everything in meters and graphs that you don't need all the time. I had a little trouble at first with a 700 Mhz Celeron computer, but turning off a lot of realtime meters or slowing them down it went ok.

And part of why it sounds good is 64 bit internal calculations. Some things just don't come for free.

With modern recording software with easy to use freeze functions you don't need to run realtime until the end of the project.

Anyway a trial is free, and it's just to find out if you like it. Download the extra Guides as well to get extra presets and explanations for guitar and bass etc.

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:11 pm

Thanks for the help. It seems to me that Trash is probably more useful for what i'm doing (which for this project involves working with dirty breaks and subtle distortion applied to different layers and samples). I really want my distortion to be as customizable as possible. i really feel that a distortion plug should be an extremely useful tool in sound design. i like Trash’s interface but just had one last question. In the pre-filter page, how do control the Q/Resonance or bp width and how do you control the cutoff frequency. can you draw these things in with the mouse? for the cutoff freq, do you just slide the main point along the x-axis line with all of the freqs listed in Hz?

Does my gibberish make any sense?

Thanks for the help though

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:19 pm

Good choice. I love trash

If I understand the question right, you do it by clicking on the black dot and use the scroll botton on your mouse to change the Q setting.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:21 pm

PS. I just checked, you can also simply click and drag any of the square brackets left or right.

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:41 pm

cool, thanks. i'm buyin that plug for sure now.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:52 pm

I think there is a group buy going on and then you can get ozone & spectron too. Ozone is very highly recommended.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=135

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:55 pm

I love my Trash!

Izotope Trash vs. Amplitube?