Does anyone know about Adobe Premiere? ...

[JumpingJackFlash]

I'm rendering my music (.wav) to a movie (.mov) in Adobe Premiere 6.5.

What I want to do though, is edit the movie file (before I add my audio); I want to either replace a few frames with new material, or edit the frames to manually change some simple details.

Can anyone explain to me how to do this simply?

(If necessary, I could use other applications such as Paint Shop Pro, SoundForge, or any other freebie downloadable stuff out there)

Thanks.

[Sepheritoh]

You are confusing me a bit. You can not render audio as a movie, but I assume you have some movie that you add in at some stage in Premiere.

Premiere split the audio and video tracks and you can edit the video as much as you like without having an effect on the audio. Adding frames might cause it to go out of sync with the audio, but I assume that is why you want to edit it in the first place, i.e. to get it back into sync. No problem then.

Is it a music video. Then you can edit frame by frame to get the sync right. Premiere works well.

Photoshop [ edit Paint shop] can not do movies as far as I know. One OK-ish free (actually, the only freeware that I know) video editor is the Wondows Movie Maker that comes with Windows. It does not do frame by frame editing with such precision as Premiere. Other cheap sullotions is Ulead Videoshop that does it as well as premiere, but does not allow you to use all the nice plugins that premiere has - but for the price of premiere, who wants plugins?

[JumpingJackFlash]

Sorry, I didn't explain very well.

Yes, I have a seperate movie file that I want to render my audio to.

It's not really a sync issue as such, as what I want to do is replace a set number of frames with the same number of frames (but obviously different graphics). This should keep the sync (I assume?)

From what you say, it seems I might as well use Prmeiere to do everything. I don't know whether it would be easier to edit the frames, or to replace them entirely, but either way, I don't know how to do it.

So, if you could go through the process (whichever is easier), I'd be very gratfeul. (It's on a mac by the way, if that makes a difference).

Thanks!

[grillo]

it shouldnt be too hard, premiere is really easy, i've got no real experience on it, but i had to use it for a film project in a course i took and got a bit of tutoring. basically when you open the program you have to import all your files (audios and videos) to a bin and then place them on the timeline which is just another way to say you have to 'sequence' them, to use a music program jargon.

it's just not much different than working with loops ina sequencer.

assuming you already have a big video file that you have to replace something in the middle of there's lot of ways you can do this, you can splice out the offending part with the markers (really like in a sequencer) or if i recall well you can just put the new sequence above the old one at the right spot and it should work. but the online help is surely much better than me, it's really complete.

[Sepheritoh]

As grillo explains, it can be compared to working with audio files in a sequancer. After importing all the clips into the project, Premiere has preview screens where you can watch the new clip and select the part that you want to use. Primiere has multiple tracks, just like a audio sequencer where you drop the new clips and then cut out the offending parts from the old movie. For what you want to do premiere is very costly, but if you already have it or have access to it, it is one of the best around. The only one I know about, but never used it that comes close, is Sony Vega.

Most pro film makers for short films use either one of those two programs. Premiere even has surround and DVD capabilities built in that you can use to burn a DVD and impress everybody.

[JumpingJackFlash]

Yes, I have access to Premiere, so I'll definately use that.

And, I think it would be easier to edit the frames if I can, rather than replace them, - but how do I do this??

The problem is, I can't see any tools or anything to edit it with; do you need to bring up a special new window to do it in?

I'm looking for paintbrush tools etc. that I can find in painshop and other graphics packages, but I can't see any in Premiere, - where are they hiding???

I have tried the online help, but I find it difficult to understand; I have only the most rudimentary understanding of Premiere and the rendering process (or I'm just thick), so it doesn't help me that much.

[vtx]

theres no real paint tools in Premiere, what you can do is razor the section you want to edit, move the marker bar so it raps the section,then choose export timeline movie, choose marked area only,
then render it as a filmstrip
that film strip will open in Photoshop as a sequence of frames for editing
how many frames are you talking about, thats important

[JumpingJackFlash]

I think I'm beginning to see how to do it!

I'm talking about 6 seconds. It's PAL, 25 fps, so that's 150 frames.

I don't have photoshop though, what other applications can edit the frames indivually and then export back into Premiere as a movie file?

Thanks.

[vtx]

other image softwares will open filmstrip, but if yours doesn't, you can export as a bitmap ,tiff or targa sequence
when your done editing, just import the frames(pics) back into the premiere bin
you can pick them all at once
just delete the area you extracted the frames from on the timeline and drag the pics back in
you can render just that area to the movie type you want or just rerender the whole vid
careful with compression when your rerendering over previously compressed lines

[JumpingJackFlash]

Ok, I think I'm finally getting it.

Just to confim;

I can create some .tif files in Paint Shop Pro. I can then import these into Premiere. I can use the markers in Premiere to locate and delete a section of the movie file, then drag the .tif files into the timeline at that point to cover the gap.
- Do I drag them into the same video line as the movie file, or a different line?
I can then drag in my audio, and render the movie in the usual way.

Will all this work?

I assume one image file = one frame? So, providing I import the same number of images as the number of frames I deleted, the sync will remain exactly the same, and there won't be a gap, yes??

Is .tif the best format to save my images as? - Does Premiere handel JPGs or anything better?

Thanks guys, it's appreciated.

[JumpingJackFlash]

*bump*

Will the approach in my previous post work?

[grillo]

Yes it will work, basically what i found it's great in premiere it's that there are countless ways of doing the same thing, and i'm talking about the workflow, so most of the time when you think about doing something and try it it actually works. And about the formats jpg should be ok, a friend of mine used to say that it doesnt exist a file format premiere cant import, obviously this is not true but...

About the paintbrush tools, sure the filmstrip is a nice technique but very time consuming i dare to say, to me it depends on what you have to do. If you wanted to add some cgi art to the clip, or some captions or logos you could just draw that in paint shop and then import it in premiere and layer it over the existing clip, and it would be a breeze : )

Also you won't lose sync with your approach but you have to be careful to cut exactly at the right time, but i wouldn't worry too much about it because just like in a sequencer it's quite easy to align stuff up