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Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:03 pm

BONES wrote:What makes eXT modular? The fact that it has an extra layer of obfuscation that makes it considerably more difficult to work with?

I haven't actually used eXT myself. How do you use the 2-in-6-out three-frequency-band splitter plugin I'm currently developing to send a synth's output to three different effects chains in Orion?

I'll take anal-seeping any day.

The perfect out-of-context quote.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:07 pm

Borogove wrote:
I anally-seep every day.
The perfect out-of-context quote.

He's had years to adjust.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:10 pm

jens wrote:I love your humour!

What humor?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:13 pm

Borogove wrote:the 2-in-6-out three-frequency-band splitter plugin I'm currently developing

You are? Well bless your socks. Always wondered why there wasn't a VST bandsplitter.

In Orion, wouldn't it just add 3 extra channel strips, one for each stereo pair? Clearly that is more useful.

I suspect Bones's reply would be that he wouldn't use it, thus circumnavigating the problem.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:15 pm

Actually Orion already has a band splitter.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:22 pm

You can define your frequency range & have two inserts per band. You can load the multi-fx into each of these inserts & have an endless chain of fx that can be used in series or morphed between using an x/y.

Orion's a way better host than people think it is, but stability issues for me personally make it nearly impossible to use right now. I'm reserving final judgement till I get my Athalon, but I have a 3.2ghz P4 at work that Orion crashes in all the time as well.

Sucks, really, really bad.

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:24 pm

shamann wrote:In Orion, wouldn't it just add 3 extra channel strips, one for each stereo pair? Clearly that is more useful.

Orion Pro 4.086 (doubtless utterly obsolete in this brave new era) lets me instance the splitter, but if I try to connect it as an insert or send effect it says "Cannot connect this effect! Probably because you're trying to insert a mono effect into a stereo channel."

Actually Orion already has a band splitter.

Bugger. Okay, assume you want something to split the output based on time, rather than frequency, like my Reggep-3 plugin.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:39 pm

Modular hosts don't add a layer of complication to anything unless you're thick.

What can be so hard about being able to use more than 2 'wires' (ie. a stereo pair) in a signal path?

It's the easiest thing there ever was. Now, I personally find eXT to be unecessarily difficult in other areas, but for modular routing (a name that sounds more complicated than the actual technology) it's a piece of piss.

Greg

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:41 pm

Lunch Money wrote:it's a piece of piss.

Greg

Say that out loud 3 times real fast.

R'yleh · Post by **R'yleh** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:41 pm

Borogove wrote:
Bugger. Okay, assume you want something to split the output based on time, rather than frequency, like my Reggep-3 plugin.

Good point.

But on the other hand, i played a lot with modular host like XT , Audiomulch, Bidule etc, but in the end i noticed that i could do everything i really did in ORION as well, with the exception of certain things from AUDIOMULCH.
IMHO Modular Hosts are great for experimenting, but for producing songs ( not ambient soudscapes ) oldfashioned hosts like ORION ( or others ) are quicker to get sth done.
But thats my personal way of working.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:42 pm

Lunch Money wrote:What can be so hard about being able to use more than 2 'wires' (ie. a stereo pair) in a signal path?

Some folk have trouble joining the dots?

Borogove · Post by **Borogove** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:50 pm

R'yleh wrote:IMHO Modular Hosts are great for experimenting, but for producing songs ( not ambient soudscapes ) oldfashioned hosts like ORION ( or others ) are quicker to get sth done.

There's a popular saying in software UI circles: simple things should be simple and complex things should be possible.

IOW, standard through-stereo routings should be easy for the user to do as they are in Orion, but free modular routing should be possible. Loading a modular host as a VST plugin into a routing-challenged host is one solution, but IMO it's inelegant. (eXT does this, right?)

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:53 pm

Borogove wrote:
jens wrote:I love your humour!
What humor?

that dry cynical humour you are using

I know of course that you are serious - but the way you are putting it is very funny and don't try to tell me that's not intended!

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:56 pm

I think it's very elegant.

You take the simplicity of the environment you're familiar with and load eXT into it.

In goes stereo, effects and other goodness get applied, out goes stereo.

Doesn't get much more elegant! Anything else is a waste of screen space or an endlessly hidden collection of paramaters.

Tracktion's modularity is elegant, too, but at the very core of it, not all that different than the eXT way of doing it.

Greg

How best to denigrate non-modular hosts?