How best to denigrate non-modular hosts?

[SJ_Digriz]

So you managed to persuade Kriminal. Well done, he can barely read.

lol, come on Krim spotted my trolling in one go. So who can't read? He just like me is only havin some fun. Ok, I'll pick up more of this.

You still havent answered my question: how do you "easily" implement these setups in Cubase?

oops, sorry got off on other tangents. Some are easy some aren't. I'll have to re-upload the pictures. I'm at work so give me a few.

And while you're at it, how would I set up parallel compression as an insert? Sidechaining?

Actually 2 different ways. One of the things people miss when working with Cubase inserts is the router toggle at the top of the insert and send list. It's possible to send individual outs to individual plugs or do the pre-post send of one side or the other to an out. If you do this to say a surround group channel you can put 2 compressors on 2 mono channels of the surround group and have it sidechain or parallel compress depending on how you choose to set it up.


Ok, here is one example of a feedback loop config. I'm feeding both a source and a filtered version of the signal back onto itself. It makes a nice squeely sound as you modulate the frequency.
Feedback loop example config

I still don't think I'm wrong about PDC. PDC applies to anything you can plug into an insert or send. There are plugins that allow external access of the audio data besides the Cubase external FX function. But, I'll bow to this quibble. But, just for fun here is what it looks like.
External FX

How about unlimited levels of sub-grouping?

hmm...as far as I know only SL and SE have a group limit. I've had a boat load of group channels. I can't imagine running out. But I honestly don't know if there is a limit.

Free mixing of stereo / mono / different sample-rate files on the same track?

mono/stereo yes, different sample rate no. I don't see that as a huge issue, but I guess there could be situations it could make editing easier.

MIDI on the same track as audio?

well, not to start a war. There is no such thing. I know you can overlay the a wave image to the MIDI data. Again, I find this useless. I still have no clue why anyone needs this. I can name 500 other useless things that Cubase doesn't do. I still think it is better to see the wave below or above the MIDI for this reference. The track markers and timelines tell you where everything is.

VSTs applied (non-destructively) to individual audio clips?

If you mean like Samplitude object editing no it isn't that slick. But all edits are non-destructive unless you tell it otherwise. I could write for an hour how to deal with different editing situations but that serves no purpose here.

face it, your host sucks!

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!! hehehe

[Kriminal]

This thread is about telling users of out-dated sequencers how lame & out-dated they are..

I didnt realise there were any OctaMed users on this forum.

[Borogove]

One of the things people miss when working with Cubase inserts is the router toggle at the top of the insert and send list.

Okay, I'll concede that Cubase probably has all the routing options I need. That screenshot you have there doesn't actually provide me with any intuitive understanding of what the hell is going on, but that can be remedied with a good manual or a different intuition than mine.

I'll stop lumping Cubase in with the hostesses now.

That still leaves a lot of hosts that don't provide full modular routing.

[IIRs]

well, obviously SX has become a bit more sophisticated in this area than my VST version.. but that looks like a poor man's Tracktion Rack to me.

MIDI on the same track as audio?

well, not to start a war. There is no such thing.

This proves to me that you didn't give Tracktion a fair trial!

I have FX plugs which can process the audio on a track while being played or automated with MIDI on the same track. You don't have to do it this way, but it is an option.

[SJ_Digriz]

I have FX plugs which can process the audio on a track while being played or automated with MIDI on the same track. You don't have to do it this way, but it is an option.

This is picking nits bro. This is basic vocoder operations. All it does is display it a little different. Unless you feel like posting pics to why I am wrong. hehehe


Also, that Cubase router is still not as good as eXT or some of the others. It is also very limited in its functions. You have to cheat a little to get it to do what you want. So, I am not totally defending Cubase. I'm just saying that most peoples opinions are based on flame wars and not solid information.

[IIRs]

How about unlimited levels of sub-grouping?

hmm...as far as I know only SL and SE have a group limit. I've had a boat load of group channels. I can't imagine running out. But I honestly don't know if there is a limit.

Its not just about how many groups you can have, but how flexible the arrangement is. I'm not forced to have groups seperate from the main tracks if i don't want to. If I have my drums bussed to a group already, I can still re-route the kick and snare through their own group first with just a couple of mouse-clicks. I can buss an entire mix down to a handful of "stems" if I want, and freeze an entire stem if the edit's getting a bit hungry. Can you do that?

[IIRs]

This is picking nits bro. This is basic vocoder operations. All it does is display it a little different.

Wrong, it means I'm dealing with one track, while you're dealing with two. Everything we do will take you twice as long as it takes me.

Also, that Cubase router is still not as good as eXT or some of the others. It is also very limited in its functions. You have to cheat a little to get it to do what you want.

You don't have to cheat in Tracktion, its designed for the job.

So, I am not totally defending Cubase. I'm just saying that most peoples opinions are based on flame wars and not solid information.

..as, I would respectfuly suggest, was your opinion of Tracktion.

[SJ_Digriz]

Its not just about how many groups you can have, but how flexible the arrangement is. I'm not forced to have groups seperate from the main tracks if i don't want to. If I have my drums bussed to a group already, I can still re-route the kick and snare through their own group first with just a couple of mouse-clicks. I can buss an entire mix down to a handful of "stems" if I want, and freeze an entire stem if the edit's getting a bit hungry. Can you do that?

yes, but I would have to plan the groups out for it in advance. This along with the drag ordering of plugins are really high on the Cubase wish list. We keep our fingers crossed. On the upside, they are taking a beating on the Nuendo site for that. That is usually a good sign. The drag inserts thing seems to be a Cubase only issue. If you go to Nuendo its /shrug to them.

[SJ_Digriz]

..as, I would respectfuly suggest, was your opinion of Tracktion.

well, not exactly. I actually tried it. I just couldn't get over how "busy" the interface is and I didn't find it any more intuitive than anything else. I was just pointing out that if it was so ultra easy and world changing don't you think a few more people would use it? Seeing how it's free and all?

And I am taking this entire thread in good humour. It has saved me from a tedious afternoon waiting for someone who never showed up for a meeting.

[Lunch Money]

SJ, there's so much I could say... so very much... <chuckle>

But it's the kind of argument that does nothing except elevate my blood pressure, because as I mentioned on page... what... 3? Earlier? You're just trolling with no possibility of actually listening or opening your mind to anything suggested to you.

You're so busy making counter-arguments in order to preserve the sanctity of your "I'm right and you're wrong" argument that you couldn't possibly be open to seeing another point of view right now. Maybe another day...

PS, your host sucks.

[pHz]

the tracktion interface 'busy' compared to cubase et al ???

slainte rob

[pHz]

the tracktion interface 'busy' compared to cubase et al ???
slainte rob

slainte rob

[Kriminal]

Compression after Reverb Rob

BTW, love the names...stupid bells, twiddling2

[Lunch Money]

Jeez that's cluttered.

I can barely find the .wav clips or the transport controls.

[haydxn]