waves plug ins

[mosduff]

Hello all, first of many posts:

I'm going through a waves plug-in tutorial and just
had a question. What is the difference in effects
of and applications of between the q10 eq and the
Rennaissance eq? My book uses them for seperate
instruments but doesn't explain the advantages of one
over the other in particular situations.

I hope I was clear. I'm new to this whole thing
but I'm eager to learn.

Thanks.

[multree]

well I think Waves stuff is really cool but it's way over priced so my advice would be to start with a cheaper (very much cheaper plug-in suite)

two I'd recommend are

quantum-fx
Sonitus:fx

both are pretty cool and offer much for the money...

regarding your question.... I guess Rennaissance eq is built with musical eq'ing in mind (shaping the sound) and the q10 more as a surgical eq (removing unwanted frequencies such as hum and hiss)

but you can use them as both so... one eq could be enough / but it isn't written anywhere that you should only use one....

every EQ sounds diffrently(ish) - so try the demos and see ...erm.. hear for yourself

cheers,
mully

[Rangtangtang]

[mosduff]

despite the expense, waves are what I'm focusing on right now. But I will look into the others sometime soon.

another question though:

with my "trueverb" plug-in what does the pre-delay setting change.

thanks for your help.

[mmcgrath]

didn't those pricey waves plugins of yours come with a manual?

i'm absolutely certain that they do

and absolutely certain that the manual will solve the vexing riddle of what a 'pre-delay' setting could possibly be used for on a reverb unit, no?

[neverwhere2012]

i gotta concur on the overpriced thing, the elemental audio systems and PSP plugins would get you more bang for your buck. i used waves for a long time and thhey just really don't sound as good as you pay for them.

that said, the pre-delay on trueverb is a setting found on most reverbs. what it basically is referring to is the time it takes for the initial reverberation to sound from when the dry signal sounds. proper use of pre-delay helps add a sense of realism to a reverb. best way to think of it is that, when you stand in a large room, and you shout a word or make a sound, the reverberation doesn't begin immediately, it takes a short amount of time for the sound to reflect off surfaces in the room and come back as reverb. the longer the pre-delay, the more of a sense of largeness to a space you're going to make. however, it's also fun to set pre-delay to a note value at the tempo of a song. this can make the reverb sort of breath and move with the music.

[The Sad Truth]

Wait....plugins cost money? Since when?

[Manc Chris]

For no reason at all I would like to comment that cracked Waves plugs, are notorious for A) working intermittently only, and B) F*****G up your system.

**Wonders off whistling***

[sangha]

Hello all, first of many posts:

I'm going through a waves plug-in tutorial and just
had a question. What is the difference in effects
of and applications of between the q10 eq and the
Rennaissance eq? My book uses them for seperate
instruments but doesn't explain the advantages of one
over the other in particular situations.

I hope I was clear. I'm new to this whole thing
but I'm eager to learn.

Thanks.

In response to a similar question that was posed on the Waves forum (the question was about compressors and limiters, not EQ) a Waves employee said that basically it was a subjective choice on the part of the demonstrator. The Ren plug-ins are known for having a particular sound, meaning that they color the sound. The q10 is meant to be a more accurate eq. But even if it weren't so, and both were meant to color the sound (or both not) EQ's will differ depending on the algorithms they use. Neither is "better" than the other, but in some situations one might think that one EQ will sound "better".

IOW, if you want to color the sound, the RenEQ is "better". If you want something else, then maybe something else is better.

on edit: And I recommend a UAD-1. Cheaper and you get a DSP card with it. Check out their demos.

[uncadave]

i got waves musicians bundle....no manual but i think there's a pdf somewhere?

[mosduff]

thanks for your help. Where could I find that
pdf?

[dramsenik]

Manuals in pdf can be downloaded at www.waves.com

All the renaissance line of plugin color your sound as they tend to emulate their hardware equivalent.

[joachime]

cracked Waves plugs, are notorious for A) working intermittently only, and B) F*****G up your system.

It sounds pretty similar to the legal stuff then.

[dramsenik]

didn't those pricey waves plugins

i gotta concur on the overpriced thing,

etc.
Wait here, some are too much pricey but their bundle for
Diamond bundle 38 plugins for 2849$ that's 75$ each
Gold bundle 20 plugins for 975$ that's 40$ each
Musician bundle 5 plugins for 149 that's 30$ each
Overpriced ??? OK i agree some are overpriced like their last reverb at 600 or Q-clone for 750... but nobody constrain.

[multree]

didn't those pricey waves plugins

i gotta concur on the overpriced thing,

etc.
Wait here, some are too much pricey but their bundle for
Diamond bundle 38 plugins for 2849$ that's 75$ each
Gold bundle 20 plugins for 975$ that's 40$ each
Musician bundle 5 plugins for 149 that's 30$ each
Overpriced ??? OK i agree some are overpriced like their last reverb at 600 or Q-clone for 750... but nobody constrain.

well the thing is.... there aren't 38 good plugs in that bundle, or let me say usable - or distinguishable